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Just to be factual, China outside of Taiwan still lacks the ability/technology to fab a modern microprocessor using a competitive process. Fab technology is incredibly restricted, not just by governments but the companies themselves.

China doesn't export CPU processors, they import from Intel like everyone else. I believe there is a fab in Singapore, but I'm not sure what generation they are at. There is a testing facility in chengdu, at least.



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Yeah, most of the advanced chip fabs are still located in Taiwan for strategic/political reasons

I believe Intel tests in Chengdu, they don't need final assembly of CPUs.

Intel also has an Asian fab in Singapore, I think.


Intel doesn’t have a fab in Penang, it only has a testing assembly site there. It has one fab in the PRC doing flash memory.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_...

No non-PRC company is fearless enough to build a new fab in the PRC with anything that aren’t comfortable with being copied by mainland companies.


The fab in China is 20 year old tech. Primarily chipsets.

Wonder if the fabs being developed in China are or will be competitive to Intel in the ~near future?

I believe your Intel example has very little to do with the cost or quality of manufacturing in China and more to do with export restrictions on current generation semiconductor fab equipment. Intel does operate a fab in China but is based on an older 65nm process.

Samsung: mostly Korea, TMSC: mostly Taiwan, Intel: Israel, U.S., etc...

Globalfoundries: Dresden, Singapore, U.S...

The only company I see with a lot of fabs in China is SMIC, and they're at 40nm, so they sure aren't making the Xiamo's CPU. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabricati...


And Taiwan would never let those fabs go to China, they have plenty of laws against that. Only oldish fab tech can be exported to the Mainland.

I think you're talking about manufacturing (chip fab) in Foxconn in Taiwan. But this is the case for the intel chips in Huawei as well.

I am talking about assembly (supply chain), which is in China.


Intel has always fabbed its high-IP parts in the USA or strongly allied countries (Israel, Ireland). They will never put a fab in China because the Chinese will rip off all their IP. The fact that Intel has resumed construction of a half-completed facility in the same town where they make almost everything else is not really news.

Does China actually have that many fabs? I used to work in the semi industry and I never heard of anyone going to China for customer support, even for older tech. Taiwan and Korea led the industry.

There is nothing inherently special about Taiwan for chip manufacturing. Theoretically, Europe and the US can (and do, to some extent) challenge TSMC and China aspires to do so too.

The fundamental problem is that it is extraordinarily expensive to build a state of the art chip fab and it is extraordinarily difficult to make start of the art chips (process technology in the 7nm node range). The technology is heavily patented and, what isn't patented, is tightly controlled as trade secrets by fabs.

TSMC[1] started as a contract fab house with competent, but not state of the art, fab capabilities. Over time and with immense investments, they have become a leading (arguably the leading) fab. Intel is on par (arguably) or has fallen slightly behind TSMC in terms of state of the art fab capabilities. Global Foundries[2] (made up of former IBM foundries[3], Motorola foundries, and others, acquired by AMD and subsequently spun out) has fallen behind in terms of state of the art (e.g. 7nm nodes). Europe also has quite a few competent, but not state of the art, foundaries.

There are a ton of fabs that were state of the art but have not been upgraded - they are quietly fabbing billions of chips that don't need smaller geometry fab nodes and cannot justify the expense of moving to more state of the art fabs. "Moving" to a new fab node technology requires a significant redesign of the chip and would require requalifying, both of which are very expensive.

Ref:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabricat...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSMC

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlobalFoundries

[3] Trivia: IBM paid Global Foundries to acquire their (IBM's) chip foundries.


If you look at the list of fabs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabricat... you'll see that of all the modern fabs, about half of them are in China already.

You still got the top 2 in Taiwan and Korea, so they won't be able to produce iPhones or Macbooks. But the rest is there already. Even Samsung has a few fabs in China.


We were talking about a packaging plant, not a fab. Edit: I understand it may be confusing, as the thread started with Intel doing packaging at Chengdu but moved onto the broader manufacturing question. But the foreign fabs mostly are Asian owned (Taiwan and South Korea) and have little to do Intel.

Intel doesn't have any fabs in China, the Dalian facility is for NAND and was sold to SK Hynix recently. Shanghai/Chengdu are assembly/test.

It's just Chinese politics, and a very large market. It was a huge mistake to use the term 'Xinjiang', one that other companies like Apple are careful to avoid.


Chip Fabs? Those are in Taiwan (until China started raiding them).

Intel fabs chips here. They assemble electronics in China.

Edit: And that's assuming that they assemble electronics at all, which I wouldn't bet on.


Taiwan fabricates chips. PRC doesn't.

Why China? Most of the major chip fabs aren't made in China. They're mostly made in Taiwan, South Korea and the US. Unless we're strictly talking about TSMC, which does have 2/18 fabs in China.
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