Chin up, I don't think it's genetic. This stereotype of being shy, socially awkward losers is beaten into Americans (asian or not) from a very early age. Just look at all of our media. Asians are either totally absent, or complete bottom feeders on the social ladder. I bet that a lot of your personality comes from the environment and expectations you grow up in.
It sucks, but the good thing is that it's never too late to change. There are tons of boss Asians. I was rather popular in high school (and I'm from the deep south, only Asian guy in my class) and college, and often find myself the center of attention in social situations. One of the upper level managers at my company is Asian and he's very social, and he even has an accent! I have plenty of other friends who are very extroverted and confident, and they're asian too.
It's a skill, like any other, and focused hard work will yield improvements.
I'm Asian. The authors of the paper are Asian. But this:
> “a possible explanation may be that Asians have a greater tendency to live in collective societies and are perhaps more likely to emphasize group dynamics rather than individual prowess”
"Calling BS" does not seem very substantive and it doesn't feel very civil either. I don't see who made you the authority here.
There are too many examples to list, but the citation I gave contains dozens and dozens[1]. For instance, it turns out that North Asians really are better at math than people of European ancestry. Ashkenazi Jews really are better at learning languages and have larger vocabularies and superior grammatical understanding and usage. Cultural psychologists have tabulated voluminous data on all the ethnic stereotypes throughout the world--hundreds of stereotypes that different Asians have of each other for instance--and again and again they are found to be more true than not.
The big mistake would be to then have prejudice--to prejudge an individual on the basis of their group affiliation. While it's a scientific fact that North Asians (Korea, China, Japan) are better at math than other populations, there are plenty of people in those groups that are worse than the global average. So it would be a mistake to assume that just because someone you meet is North Asian they are better than average at math.
[1]: Heine, Steven J., Cultural Psychology. 3rd edition. W.W. Norton, 2016. ISBN: 9780393263985.
Yeah exactly, that's the entire point. Asian DO seem to be be treated differently, that's the premise of the entire discussion. How is that surprising? What's so impossible about that possibility?
That's neither a sentence of mine, nor a logical impossibility. It's a perfectly valid, logically sound scenario, but for some reason you think it's a logically impossible scenario.
Just because you think it's false doesn't make it logically impossible! And here I was arguing with propositional logic as if I'd claimed 2+2=5.
the overwhelming cringe factor in reading this kind of drivel is it's so obvious the author desperately wants acceptance from the in-group, while at the same time demonizing it, while at the same time humblebragging their newfound coolness.
what person of any race or culture would respect someone with such an obvious inferiority complex?
What to me is a flaw in the thinking though is, that East Asians are supposedly more right-brained than we Westerners are. So it won't necessarily save you.
For someone who talks so much about empathy you ironically completely fail to empathize with Asians.
You're making an emotional argument not a logical or reasoned one so I can tell your mind is the type that isn't persuaded by facts but instead by emotional rhetoric. I bet you cry during political speeches.
You're not worth my time to try to persuade because you just demonstrated a thought process based on anecdotes and evidence and empathy you extend to only one marginalized party instead of both. So instead of giving you the "imagine you're a Cambodian first generation immigrant who gets shat on daily by society AND STILL has a fraction of the chance to get into Harvard as Michael Jordans son" I'll just say: good day to you sir and good luck with your half assed thought process and your attempts to ride the moral high horse of empathy when ironically extending empathy to only one party.
Your thought process is flawed, your reasoning is flawed, and you utterly lack the empathy and compassion you claim to exault. Peace out and good luck with your half assed anecdote-based reasoning -- meanwhile I'll be chilling here looking at the data, calling a spade a spade, and calling a racist admissions process a racist admissions process. You don't get virtue points for throwing your ethnicity under the bus when your ethnicity is actively being marginalized btw. Can't even believe how racist you are rly. Good day to u sir
Imagine if this was written to another race besides white or asian. Why do you think this ok to say to a fellow asian? Do you not think it's ok to complain about social problems and simply ignoring them if you cannot fix them yourself is the solution? This stereotype you're pushing is the exact problem.
I've met tonnes of asians who are great at social settings. Just like I've met tonnes who aren't. Just like I've met tonnes of (black|white|hispanic|etcs) ...
I have noticed that asians engineers in particular, in a corporate setting, tend towards "work hard + wait for reward" strategy. Maybe it's the intersection of what draws us to engineering and upbringing that results in this?
I never assumed you were white. Just pointed out you were racist. You’ve now double downed on it with some strange implication that Asians can’t be racist.
Actually everything I’ve said is backed by fact, please point out where I’m factually incorrect.
For some background, the 'model minority' myth that you're perpetuating here is being increasingly rejected by the Asian-American community because its both reductive and dehumanizing in its characterization ('Asians are all inscrutable math wizards that get straight A's but are essentially invisible in any romantic or leadership capability') and most often trotted out by race supremacists in some twisted form of concern trolling as a way to attack other minority groups who are seen as less subservient. Asian-americans are often seen in america as the "perpetual foreigner"[1] no matter how far they go to integrate, and the 'model minority' myth just makes integration and the freedom to be treated as an 'American' _individual_ so much harder - unlike Caucasians in the US who in their virtue as the majority demographic do not have each and every one of their actions/behaviors scrutinized as being representative of "white people."
you're making excuses for your under-developed social skills.
how embarrassing.
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