I use my own server, and I can't say that everyone is marking me as a spam. With correct setup and a little bit of good history gmail works fine for me. I removed SPAM label from my mail in Gmail and asked few friends to do the same. Now my mail isn't marked as spam in gmail. And for yandex.ru and mail.ru it worked out of the box.
As someone who has managed multiple email servers I can assure you that this is not the case. You can do everything "correctly" and still be marked as spam on GMail for no apparent reason.
> most gmail users never see messages from my personal email address, because google routes them to spam despite my IP never having spammed
This is off topic but very briefly: implement SPF and DKIM and get a number of Gmail users (I'm not sure what this number is, but it is order of magnitude 10) to mark your emails as "Not Spam". Eventually Gmail will come to accept emails from your self-hosted server.
Based on my experience running mail servers for a long time and today, I'd say OP is right.
gmail spam filtering is terrible. On my various gmail accounts, I both get spam and the good email goes to the spam folder. And there's nothing you can do, you can mark it not-spam a thousand times and it's still a crapshoot.
I don't have any of those problems with my self-hosted email.
I don’t have this problem with the mail server that I set up for myself. It works as intended. My Gmail account, that I maintain mainly for email lists, gets tons of false spam positives, however. Gmail is garbage.
Haven't a clue what you mean. I run several mail servers and have no issues whatsoever with GMail. And I run through all the spam filtering, too, and only recall one that was inadvertently marked as spam but, iirc, the mailer was the problem.
Inability to reliably send messages to gmail is huge. I'm using my own server, I own my domain for years, I asked a lot of people to remove "Spam" label from my messages, I did everything (reverse DNS, DKIM, SPF, checked that Gmail likes it all) I could, yet for new recipients gmail might mark my e-mail as spam. Gmail is worse e-mail provider, I liked it before, but I really don't like it, because it seems to punish people for decentralization. And I don't have this problem with other e-mail providers that I checked, they are happy to receive my e-mails.
I use Gmail for some private mail, and use it at work. I always check my spam folder and keep it empty. It works for 99%, but some mails from advertising networks (which I subscribe to professionally) get marked as spam even though I have marked them "not spam" many times. For personal mail I haven't had much problems.
I just routinely do a cursory glance of my spam folder, but so far no issues. I am guessing it doesn't do much but I like to think if enough people flag them as spam that they then get marked as spam throughout Gmail.
I'm running self-hosted email, and Gmail users have no problems receiving it (spf, dkim, etc. are all working, I guess I'm also lucky to have used the same IP for a very long time). But what is funny, is that most of the spam I receive, and that isn't cought by spamd, is actually from Gmail spam accounts.
So you're using Gmail in conjunction with your own domain? I find that the vast majority of spam comes from dynamic IPs and known spammers. Using the spamhaus blacklist catches almost all of it.
I frankly cannot understand why, but on my old yahoo account at least 50% of the spam gets through, including those in suspicious russian (which, since I do not speak the language and have always flagged as spam, makes zero sense to me).
So, either the gmail engineers are better than most, or it is still not trivial to get it right.
Strange, because gmail is still putting in the spam box the emails from my custom and own email server (a rasberry pi sitting next to my IAP modem)... and ppl removing them from their spam box does not seem to have any impact.
That is really a feature of your email provider. I've used gmail and an old style shared server email, and in both cases, spam was filtered by the email provider.
I need to periodically check gmail spam because almost all legit emails from small business (order confirmations, support requests etc) with dedicated email server fall in there. I explicitly mark them as not Spam but it's still not working. All of those servers use TLS, DKIM, SPF etc.
And my spam folder contains almost none actual spam letters, they just stop arriving a few years ago dispite my email address is very public.
For people running their own mail servers, have you observed in the past 2 or 3 weeks that gmail now mark your emails as spam?
I've been running the same domain for over a decade, on the same current ip address for over 2 years, not running on ipv6 (I know that was an issue for some people), have all the spf/dkim/dmarc setup and gmail mark the 3 of them as "pass", I check spamhaus for both domain and ip address, etc... Yet this has suddenly become an issue 2 or 3 weeks ago (not sure the exact moment).
I have a gmail account that I use as a backup. In over a decade, it never marked any email from one of my domain as spam. I run tests both ways whenever I make a change on my domain, the last one was in July. I tried it yesterday and it marked all emails from my domain as spam!
I'm using Gmail and considering host my own email server. But the only/big thing stopped me to do that is how to filter SPAM. Gmail is really useful for SPAM filtering.
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