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> It's really, really easy to think you're one of God's Chosen (or Allahs, or Jehovas, or Buddha's, or ...) when you're at the top of the world, you've got a multi-trillion-dollar wind in your sails, you went to the best schools, and you make titanium and airaluminium dance on the wind and all that.

Fortunately nobody posting on Hacker News threads like these are relatively new engineers who think they're God's gift!



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> ...but hey, the internet is full of really talented smart people who do excellent engineering work.

It's actually not. It's full of average people who do mediocre engineering.


> And if you prove this false, you're a better engineer than me!

Probably cheating somehow!


>He's an engineer, and there's a bunch of engineers who worked with him who will attest to that.

He's not, and all those quotes from that reddit thread I know you're thinking of are very careful to dance around the point.

He's not an engineer.


> It's definitely not as ridiculous as what lots of experienced engineers are oddly saying

It's scary how many engineers are burning their credibility in exchange for some temporary internet points.


>> they will info dump tech mumbo-jumbo

I'm mid-level engineer. Honestly, several staff+ engineers may not be spitting tech mumbo-jumbo, but they do dump all other kind of BS. Political BS, "tactical tornados"[1]. May not necessarily mean they were good at engineering, but just good with people skills. Obviously, not everyone is like that, but I would say many are.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33394287#:~:text=The%20....


> We engineers are nothing but servants to these people.

Which is funny you say that because apparently the "SV elite" think quite the opposite: https://twitter.com/sama/status/641281287660007424


> One guy, a former electrical engineer,

I noticed it's often the engineers that are in over their head, more than regular people


> There are a lot of strange attitudes elsewhere in this comment section, ones that I don’t recognize from good senior engineers.

Whole lot of misinformation and red herrings on the internet these days, intended to lead the unwary astray


> I find it amusing when I see titles such as "JavaScript engineer" or "HTML engineer", etc.

It is amusing indeed, but for a different reason — because "iron engineer" or "rubber engineer" (in case of hardware engineers) would be just as amusing.

The lack of formal scientific education doesn't mean that engineer in question doesn't have the exact same amount of knowledge — it merely means that he chose other ways to acquire it.


>Sure, he's an engineer.

How is someone an engineer without an official engineering designation?

It's funny that Zuckerberg is dismissed as a computer scientist, but accepted as an engineer, proving how arbitrary these titles are.


> ...track you all over the web? They literally have thousands of engineers doing just that.

Seriously? If that's true, most of them must be hanging out on the roof.


> he’s also completely unqualified to be called an engineer

What qualifies someone as an engineer? Math? What kind of math?

Building stuff? What kind of stuff?

Writing code? What languages count and what languages don’t? Does CSS count?

Or are you talking about some kind of academic certification or standardized exam?

It seems like you are basing someone’s engineering prowess based on their personal, social, political antics.


> They are excited engineers.

It doesn't really matter how nice, smart, talented, excited, curious, or well-meaning a person is. Judge them by their actions. What they build and what it is used for.

If you could pass a message them, please tell them to get a grip and realize how insanely creepy what they are doing is, and they should probably not do it, even if it makes them a bunch of money.


"Besides, if you're not doing any hacking in your free time outside of class anyway, you're probably not cut out for this career."

I really dislike this mentality and it unfortunately seems to be the expressed by a lot of engineers (at least ones that have an internet presence). Just because you don't spend all of your time hacking away doesn't mean you aren't cut out for this career nor does it mean you can't be a great engineer. This kind of mindset is only going to deter potentially good engineers from entering into the field.


> because no one needs it.

Engineers making pronouncements like this bring me no end of amusement. Surely we've learned by now that we're pretty terrible at these sorts of guesses?


> The "best" engineer in the world would probably tell you that "the only thing that they know is that they know nothing"

This just tells me that the engineer in question is very good, but also has imposter syndrome.


> I’ve never met the legendary “10x jerk”. Anecdotally the outperforming engineers are generally nice and humble.

Anecdotally, I have.


> Why is this kind of “confessional” necessary?

The author explains very clearly his reasoning:

"Here’s why I think it’s important. First, there is often an unrealistic expectation that an experienced engineer knows every technology in their field."

> this need to think you’re “the greatest” at everything and then beat yourself up when you realise you can’t be.

That's exactly the kind of mindset that Dan is trying to dispel.


> Or maybe the true engineers are solving other problems Nice gatekeeping.

Nice gatekeeping.

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