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They don't have to participate in state-run primary elections, but if they choose to, they are not allowed to commit election fraud. Primary elections are still elections.

Of course, they don't have to provide equitable treatment to candidates in other ways.



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The federal government is not responsible for presidential primary elections. It is the parties that are.

the party doesn't necessarily lose any power in this case, so their ability to control elections by choosing who runs might be undiminished.

Sure, the party could opt to not even run a primary process I think (like most parties do when they have an incumbent in office). But they do have to at least appear in these run-offs to be fair and following the process they establish and be transparent to the degree possible.

> Primaries are not elections.

Yes, they are.

> They are private intra party affairs.

That wouldn't stop them from being elections, but primaries are public affairs carried out by the State. (Caucuses are more like you describe, but even they often have state involvement.)

> caucuses in US primaries

Caucuses are not in primaries, they are an alternative to them.


It's not totally up to the parties. Each state has different laws about how their primary or caucus should be conducted.

Some states they do. In my state, the Democrats hold caucuses instead of primaries (even though the state runs primaries anyway—weird story), and I think at their own expense. Running an election is a pretty big operation (you need to register voters, check that they're eligible, set up and staff either polling places or mail-in sites, and so on. The state already has most of that infrastructure, and it seems wasteful to duplicate it. I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if some (or all) primary states allow third parties to register to have their primaries run as well.

I think some states let you participate in primaries as an unaffiliated voter

I guess the gist of it is there's a difference between a Party's Primary election process and a National or State election. The Party is treated like a private club that can do whatever it wants in its Primars to select its candidate for the general election.

The point is that the party has no intrinsic right to a slot in the general election.

The WEP can put whoever they wish up to represent them, selected however they wish, in a process funded by their party resources.

Then the primary is a voting population wide decision to winnow the field to a reasonable final competition.

A state funded primary that is locked to a party selection process is an interesting use of public funds.


The primaries aren't official US elections. They're unofficial elections set up by each political party (which are private, non-government entities).

You can vote however you want in official elections.


> and remember, the party gets to approve whether a candidate receives a primary challenge in most state races

This makes sense. Primaries are internal party business. It's totally up to them to decide how they select their candidates.

The general elections are where the citizens get their say.


It's not the party's decision, is it? It's decided by the state's election laws.

What if you voted in an opposing party's primary solely to select a less-electable candidate (for "the other" party)?

Here in Tennessee, that's apparently illegal; but several county DAs have sworn not to prosecute.


The primaries can just be moved. The democratic and republican party aren't government institutions written into the constitution, they're just associations of politicians.

They won't flip parties and no incumbent is ever at serious risk of a primary challenge. You can call it transparent I guess but it's also a foregone conclusion.

> This makes sense. Primaries are internal party business. It's totally up to them to decide how they select their candidates.

New York is the only state which conducts primaries this way.

> The general elections are where the citizens get their say.

No, because general elections are uncontested (due to gentleman's agreements between the two parties not to run candidates in each others' districts, and laws making it infeasible for third parties to do anything but cross-endorse the major parties).


But they don't, especially on the local and state level. They may fund their favorites but outright socialists and communists can and do run in the Democratic primaries, to say nothing of progressives and Greens. And if I was in a district that had closed primaries where one party routinely wins, I would definitely register for that party. It doesn't mean anything.

That's fine but what does it say about their constituents? First it's a handful voting for each in their respective primaries; second a substantial number of eligible voters who do not care enough to participate in that primary. And then more than half of the eligible voters who don't care enough to participate in the general election. So why disable the ability of those willing to participate to re-elect the person they want?

That's a closed primary, but not all states have them.
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