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Not everyone does it, though. I mean technically yes, it's required grammatically, but it's one of those rules that isn't always obeyed. It's a mistake but common enough to be aware of it.


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_Most_ people don't notice. There still are rules especially for grammar.

It's not something I would bring up in a forum, absent context or someone asking about it, but I'd definitely correct it in formal writing.


Except we are talking about the English language. And it does have rules, they are called grammar. Plus, you're using the bandwagon fallacy. Just because a lot of people do it doesn't make it right.

I use Grammarly, but seldomly. It's useful for longer piece of writing, esp. if I don't want to edit it later, over and over.

Other than that, in normal conversations, these mistakes are part of our personal identity if you ask me.


An awful lot of people think the grammatically correct part is optional, too.

Yeah; I first heard about this from a German speaker who was complaining about it. He said that you could mangle 99% of English Grammar — no problem. But! you get the order-of-adjectives slightly wrong, and a native English speaker will look at you like you're from Mars. His second complaint is that the rule is rarely taught to native English speakers, such that they (we) don't even know how hard of a rule it is.

I suppose it depends on the region, but I don't think I or most of my friends make many grammatical mistakes like that.

That is an archaic, prescriptivist opinion, not an actual grammar rule in English. There are many style guides but those are opinions, not rules.

Sometimes it has its place. Can you imagine a public speaker making errors like this? I think it detracts from the message. Public, and especially popularly read stuff should be as correct as humanely possible. Good grammar is a habit, improved by repeat exposure.

Correct grammar is important in a discussion of grammar, is it not?

They don't "recognize" it any more than anyone else, in recognizing that people use it. It's still grammatically incorrect.

My "belief" isn't so much based on what I learned but on how the language has been used. I'm not a student of grammar, I'm a computer scientist.

Yes, there is no "central authority", but then you appeal to authority throughout the rest of your comment.

Stallman really does cover that well in his essay: "Every language has grammar rules. They are in the minds of speakers of the language — including, for English, me. The fact that they weren't decided by an official edict doesn't mean these rules are a trivial matter; demanding people change their grammar rules is an affront. You might succeed in convincing me to change the English grammar rules in my mind, but don't you dare demand it".


Yes, that's exactly my issue. People see it and just immediately throw up the red flag as if it were an actual grammatical/syntactic error.

It depends grammar, not accidently

It depends grammar, not accidently

Does it really matter? I mean, few people will misunderstand that phrase, since it's used so often. Proper grammar is just a transitory convention; what's important is that the message gets across.

I've been ignoring that rule of English grammar for as long as I can remember; it makes no sense.

(As you pointed out), 'on-premise' is used very often (according to google trends as much or more than on-premise). There's an argument to be made that language is about how people use it and not the theoretical rules of grammar - and therefore if a 'mistake' is done often enough it should no longer be considered a mistake.

Idiomatic _American_ English, perhaps, but even otherwise, it's still a grammatical error. Just one that's become ubiquitous to the point that speakers in one place don't care or don't notice.

wow. I consider myself pretty good at grammar and could easily make this error. Is there a proper name for it?

I agree with them. It's a context issue, not a grammar issue.

Agreed. Grammar's just norms of communication, and norms depend on context. So treat the violation of them as such - sometimes it matters, sometimes it don't.
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