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where one finds high unemployment, they are almost certain to find crime, drugs, gangs, single mothers

This is because of poverty, not idle hands.



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no, because poverty is largely what causes those (and most) crimes

Poverty.

Poverty.

Even so extreme poverty is a contributing factor to how some end up in situations where the impulse is to commit a crime, even murder.

You’re right. Poverty is more likely caused by violence than violence is caused by poverty.

The problem is poverty and a general lack of opportunity.

Poverty is easy to clean up when being poor is a crime.

Poverty also includes having your neighborhood torn apart by junkies on opioids.

But I guess actually looking at the econometric data to compare apples to apples isn't worthwhile because you can stay indoors while your tires are stolen and watch Jessica Jones, so things are better than they used to be, right?


Involuntary unemployment is the single biggest cause of poverty in developed economies and is a policy choice, not a limitation

Yes. Because poverty != criminality.

And they've always had poverty problems. The underlying point is that I'm sure we cannot boil down substance abuse problems to simple boredom.

But that's not because of the "poverty is worse", this is because of harsh anti-immigration laws. And yes, of course, leaving friends and family completely is not an option for many.

I am not talking about poverty

The larger part of that problem is the poverty/unemployment/lack of jobs/... in the eastern parts.

As it turns out, poverty doesn't cause crime. It's relative poverty that causes crime. Basically, if people are low down enough on the dominance hierarchy, they feel like they have no hope of getting anywhere, then why shouldn't they start acting up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XYHPAwBzE

(On the other hand, in societies where everyone is poor, there can be peace.)


Poverty is.

Poverty/plenty is in the 80%.

Bad means someone who would molest a child because it's a new experience or run over a stranger with a car. A business owner who is proud that the people he hires don't make enough money to eat.

Hitmen who consider the people they kill as rats so they don't get emotional scarred by the murder - they're in the 80%. A tyrant who orders a city pillaged and raped to assert dominance, also in the 80%.


Thank you. Some of the poorest people I know are deeply moral. Indeed a poorly run home is the largest predictor - and too little (or too much) money does magnify the problem, poverty isn’t synonymous with crime.

The main cause of money-poverty is lack of money, not lack of work.
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