The tendency is there even if it doesn't go as far as Lord of the Flies. I work at a boys school for gifted students. They are all smart and they are usually well behaved as individuals, but if they get in an unsupervised group, things can go badly rather quickly. That is why we do our best to make sure they are never unsupervised.
> The very gifted kids are going to isolate themselves from the dumb people as quickly as they can as soon as they can no matter what you do.
This is quite an anecdote you've got there ... cause in my experience (gifted, and in gifted classes with many much brighter than me), all of us kept a pretty diverse (academically) social group.
But that's _my_ anecdote ... surely people will exist on the entire spectrum between self-seclusion to social butterfly.
> Gifted kids are often not challenged. It's all too easy. They learn to coast by without studying.
Or, even worse, these 8 year olds are incapable of sitting in a chair without any stimulation for 6 hours a day. So they're labeled as troublemakers, spend a lot of time with the principal (or these days, the police), and end up getting put on drugs that turn them into compliant zombies.
I’d be more worried about social development. Of the small sample size of gifted people who didn’t want to be with their peers, how many have formed last relationships, friendships etc.
We had obviously gifted kids in my school and they came across as arrogant and entitled. 15 years later, most of them went on to get graduate degrees but don’t seem to be progressing socially (i.e. absent from reunions, weddings, small town bar run-ins)
From my own anecdotal experience, everyone I can think of who is gifted (rather than clever) has social troubles to some degree, one of my sons included. He finds it difficult to relate to most children as he largely speaks a different language. He's a 99th percentile in most areas.
However, unlike the kids in the article, he doesn't enjoy Shakespeare or fawn over Incan currency. Talking to him is amazing. His thought processes are very mature, even compared to many adults. His language (when not telling fart jokes) is eloquent. He has no choice with his peers: dumb it down or be a freak.
Several of my friends fit into this profile too. None of them fit the mould painted in this article. Although, that doesn't surprise me. I found this article disappointing on several levels (eg. generalisation about gender is 'she').
There were a few points in the article that resonated with me: behavioural problems in my son (which we later categorised as Aspergers compounded with boredom) and misdiagnosis by teachers. My son was put in a special class for struggling students until I produced a WISC report showing he was gifted or near gifted. When he wrote a beautiful children's book at 5, they thought it was a forgery and ignored it until I had the WISC report to confirm his ability. The report changed a lot with his teachers.
The article talks about segregation as a positive. I'm not convinced this is a positive as these children are likely going to need to integrate in broader society. I purposely put my kids at a standard but high performing school rather than choosing a special school for this reason. The results have been mixed. There is bullying by peer girls and boys and at least one 'friend' said "my mother can't see me play with you or I'll get in big trouble" (also known as Aspergers are lepers to some parents - if this is true, she is an awful person).
If I have one suggestion for parents of a gifted child, it would be to accept that your child will have areas where they are smarter than you and to nurture their talent through their interests. I've recently observed at length two mothers with near gifted or gifted sons whom they mercilessly bully (I have no idea why a parent would do this to their child). Both mothers have a daughter too - and the daughter (in both instances) can't be praised enough. Two of my closest and gifted friends (50+) recalled similar bullying from their mothers (and were unsupported by weak fathers). Thankfully, my wife is not like that with our son.
So, yes, I see odd behaviour from gifted children as normal due to an incompatibility at an intellectual level. Gifted is noticeably different from clever. When you talk to a 5 year old that shows complex reasoning like an adult most of the time, they are most probably gifted. Someone that knows some surprising facts is probably clever rather than gifted.
>Isolation is one of the main challenges faced by gifted individuals, especially those with no social network of gifted peers. In order to gain popularity, gifted children will often try to hide their abilities to win social approval.
That seems to suggest the cause of the problem is a lack of high IQ individuals. If the majority had a high IQ due to IA, nobody would feel isolated by their high IQ (although then the low IQ minority might feel isolated).
The problem isn't with intelligence, it's the fact that gifted kids are often left in average classrooms rather than placed among their peers. Everyone is liable to develop awkward social habits if they grow up outside their peer group, regardless of how intelligent they are.
Also, a lot of the traits people mention when talking about smart, awkward people are common signs of Asperger's...
I'm embroiled in parts of this debate with myself. By most measures, I'd be identified as a smart person. Perhaps even "really, really" smart. But back in the 4th or 5th grade, I wasn't selected as "gifted".
The practical upshot is that instead of going to a different school and being surrounded by teachers who were in tune with my needs, I stumbled through a public suburban high school replete with all the drama that Judd Apatow can fit onto the screen.
I consider this a very lucky occurence.
Why? Because it forced me to keep myself occupied rather than expecting anyone else to do so. It freed me from a mindset of educational entitlement.
By spending this years in a regular school, I was able to learn take on a host of other activities that I found interesting at my own pace and at my own behest. My intellectual development and curiosity drove me forward.
And it forced me to learn how to navigate elements of the "real world" that end up being speedbumps along the way. Isolation from that is a mistake. I've many friends who've learned that the hard way.
Now I'm a happy adult with a precocious son. I'm getting worried about his teachers in kindergarten are going to deal with a child who happily decides if numbers are primes and points out square roots.
How do I teach him to learn for himself. To realize that his school gives him a starting point for his education, and not the entireity. To help him end become a ferociously curious individual who gets stuff done, not in some isolation chamber gifted bubble, but in the real world -- omplete with alliances and politics and emotions and conflicts.
It's hard. It was hard to live through as the student, and I expect it to be hard for me to live through as his guide.
Sounds like engineering class, where every kid in the room is “that kid who is good in math”.
My kid just got into the the local youth symphony (tough competition), and as I explain to her, every kid in that symphony is probably 1st chair in their school, and now one of you will be last chair.
You can be smarter than 99% of the people around you, and there are still 60M people in the world smarter than you.
Maybe you really are not “gifted”. Must be a western thing. My two examples above have a large percentage of Asian students. After reading the “Tiger Mom” book, there certainly wasn’t any coddling in that child rearing.
I thought it was well known that disruptive kids are often unrecognised creative/smart kids who are challenging the authority/leadership of the teacher.
There has been some research on this in the UK, look into some of the work by David Price around creative test answers.
> My behavior challenges came from a lack of being challenged.
I've heard this a lot - it's always someone else's fault. In my experience in school, the disruptive students were not the gifted ones. They were the ones who never experienced negative consequences for their disruptive behavior. Neither the teachers, administration, nor parents ever disciplined them.
The unchallenged gifted students would read a book during class, or draw art in their notebooks, etc.
Well, knowing how to “play with the other children”.
Social skills that work with a variety of people are something you can’t get by studying alone.
That said, it doesn’t take years and years to learn.
On the other hand, there have been numerous studies conducted by educators regarding what to do with the “best and the brightest”. Above all, we have learned what NOT to do. What you don’t do is make too big a deal out of it. The label rapidly becomes their identity and they hold onto it for dear life. This translates into becoming highly risk averse. In time this means they get passed by the average students who don’t have such fear of “no longer being considered a genius” and happily take more risks.
We know a few points
* don’t talk about it much, it’s just “fun stuff” the kid is doing
* let him do it. Kids learn to hate school that makes them feel bored
* let them ease out or drop out if it without guilt or warnings about how their future will be average
Being “gifted” is one thing. Having the self drive to show something for it over a period of years is another.
I remember a day student at the boarding school I went to. He wasn't a genius. He didn't say much. He had to wake up in the wee hours of the morning to do farm chores. But dammit, he applied himself, did his work, and pulled down straight A's without making a whole lot of fuss about it.
100% of the kids aren't gifted. But something like 80% of them in the US could be performing above the current "average" level with the right encouragement.
Growing up I was in 3 different 'gifted' classes, one for each level of school before high school (elementary, middle, junior). There was definitely a bit of a stigma involved -- against us by the people not in the gifted class, and within the class against whoever was deemed not as smart as the majority of the class. Nothing horribly damaging, but definitely present.
That makes sense. There's nothing more common than the high-IQ underachiever.
We didn't have books (2 in the house, gifts from older cousins), but we were fairly competitive. And our folks told us "You guys are smart; you'll all go to college". So we did.
It can be the other way round. A child may strive to learn things and achieve academic success because he is deprived of normal love and unconsciously believes that when he proves himself smart and successful, people will recognize and love him. I.e. it's not that being gifted leads to suffering; it may be that these kids already suffer and just try harder to survive.
Gifted children are intense? Has the author ever actually been around children? They're all intense. That's the nature of children!
Of course, they may simply all be gifted until they're hammered into their little social boxes; I've often thought that. Some of us weirdos just can't be hammered as efficiently, or break before bending or something.
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