> It looks like the idiot Teslas I see every morning on my commute, randomly braking and swerving like drunk frat boys.
Yeah, that's what all these arguments always come down to. They start with "safety" and end with simple emotion.
Look, I'm genuinely sorry there are jerks in Teslas near you. But they're just that: perfectly human jerks driving like perfectly normal human beings. Please don't project your hatred of the culture, or Musk, or EVs, or whatever on the safety aspects of the system.
Also: call a friend and get a ride. They're pretty amazing vehicles. You'd be stunned at how fun it is to have a robot drive you around.
> half of them passive aggressively blink their headlights at me and play the throbbing anus animation on the dashboards
Alright man. I guess I'm not hip. What the hell are you talking about here? The Tesla drivers don't like your car and they have some sort of feature that moons you? I'm so confused.
> Honestly, that giant screen in a Tesla is the craziest thing I've ever seen in a car
Same here. I cannot understand how people are fine with it. I once had to drive a car who had it's GPS display further down (where the AC controls usually is, basically) so you had to glance down towards the shifting stick to be able to see where you are going. That feels like a similarly crazy idea. I'm lucky my car has a display that is as far up it can be without blocking the view out of the windshield.
> What exactly is the human bringing to the table?
He can see the big truck 200 yards in front of him, and recognize that it is indeed a truck, and not an overhead traffic sign. Apparently, Teslas don't bring that to the table.
Alternatively, the human could recognize that the truck is on fire and smoking, and that it would be a good idea to stay away from it.
It literally drives itself. You're hiding behind a semantic argument about what "full" means, and how autonomy is deployed. It's the "Money Printer Go Brrr...." meme.
You don't seem to be able to understand that the product as deployed has value to its purchasers, and that's leading you to some really emotionally dark places. I mean, it shouldn't be this upsetting to you that I like my car, and yet it clearly is. Just... maybe just don't? Let it go. You know these cars are safe as deployed. Let the Tesla nuts have their fun.
> So far one person has faced lethal consequences.
This is the tip of the iceberg.
How many other Tesla owners aren't fully aware of how the feature works and are just relying on the vernacular usage? Even if 100% of Tesla owners are 100% aware of the feature's capability, what happens when a friend/coworker/spouse/child of the owner borrows the car and uses the feature based on their misunderstanding of the technology?
> The fact that they have given anyone an impression otherwise is problematic.
Good grief. This meme will not die. The car literally tells you to keep your hands on the wheel every time you engage autopilot, yells at you if you don't, will lock you out of the system as punishment if you don't comply, and if you really seem disabled will bring the car to a stop and turn the hazards on. It simply will not operate without an attentive driver, or at the very least one spending considerable energy at defeating the attention nags.
There are exactly zero Tesla drivers in the world who don't know these rules. Just stop with the nonsense. Please.
> Most driving interactions in a Tesla are through the stalk or knob rollers on the steering wheel (that adjust based on situation). It is very well thought out.
Does the tesla know that I've changed heading and the sun is now providing some radiative heating and the thermostat can be turned down? Does it know that I got a chip off my windshield that affects the cameras, and I need to manually turn the windshield wipers (or brights, or etc) on and off every time a vehicle passes and sprays me? Maybe I just want a big ol' power/volume knob to turn it off and on easily without looking - most cars have those on the steering wheel and I hate them.
(To be clear, I love Tesla and I truly hope they continue to succeed - but even more, I hope Toyota et al get it through their thick heads that BEVs are the future and gain ground in a hurry. Competition should make everyone better...)
> what if they purposely drive weird just to mess with the autonomous cars?
I got a car about 6 months ago with Level 2 Autonomy and I'd say it's even more than just trying to mess with them. Now that I know the subtleties of how my car behaves, it's easy to spot other drivers who have theirs engaged too. I can use that to my advantage when appropriate and it takes some ethics not to abuse them. For example, if I have to merge I'll merge in front of one of those cars, purely from a safety standpoint -- I know that car is going to respond and give itself lots of space. Of course, people could use that much more maliciously to take advantage of those cars "niceness".
I've never had anyone mess with my car just for the sake of it, but you can see the seasoned Tesla owners taking the opportunities that they spot. It changes the way other drivers drive if they can identify the behavior.
> My comment to people about teslas is that they will be disappointed if they try to drive it like an ICE car.
Why would renters drive it any differently to any other rental car?
> It’s a different driving experience
The only experience car renters want is reliable transport now. The car is not the primary objective, their destination is. Anything that degrades the journey to the destination is a turn off.
>“If you drive a Tesla you’ll have experienced phantom braking at some point, a false positive condition when the Autopilot cameras thinks there’s a wall up ahead, for example if going under an overpass. It will literally brake. You step on the accelerator and cuss once or twice at Elon and you’re good to move on. This Bay Bridge driver could not make a decision and let the car brake to a stop. It’s not uncommon. Anecdotally I would say Teslas get rear-ended quite often.”
This level of apologism is shocking. “Everyone knows Teslas emergency brake to a stop in the middle of highway traffic randomly, bro. Just gotta be ready for it! No biggie!”
Yikes. Ever considered rental cars? Borrowing a friend’s car that you’re not familiar? Or just 100+ years of automotive history in which random no-input braking was considered completely unacceptable and not even a thing?
Oky, what the heck! This is one of my biggest nightmares as a driver, those at Tesla should be made responsible for this type of behaviour from their product.
I know any car may die in the middle of the highway but from what the guy writes he couldn't put it in neutral so that he couldn't push it over to the side of the highway. That's a big no-no. Again, Tesla must be held accountable.
This guy is projecting so hard he could be a movie theatre
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