I agree with everything you've written, but from a personal mental health perspective, it makes sense for most of the population to accept it. That is, until it's certain to be fixed in their lifetime.
I agree with your reasoning, and that complements or corrects what I've written perfectly.
The last paragraph is extremely sad though: that it would require a new complicated drug, procedure or technology to overcome the forces present in the average person blocking it from having agency on this issue.
Maybe this problem points out to huge psychological (people that can't afford treatment or realize underlying mental problems that exarcebate the condition) or economical (a healthy lifestyle is more difficult to attain if you're constantly stressed to have minimal provisions or time) issues on society as a whole.
No, we should not accept it. Unless you want to overflow hospitals and you'll have a massive death rate across whole popualtion groups, or you want to keep that thing spreading and mutating. I think this is the younger should accept that a closed latte shop is not a good reason for depression.
I agree it's totally necessary to do this to live a fulfilling life, however it's unrealistic for most. It usually takes hundreds of hours of psychoanalysis to even come close to "getting over it", or even discovering what "it" is in the first place. Unfortunately most countries healthcare systems and/or peoples' wallets aren't equipped to deal with that.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted, most of what you're saying is accurate.
Our brains are wired wrong to participate in society without correction (internal or external); yet we still want to participate.
I'm on the mild end of the spectrum, to the point where I barely notice the effects in my day to day life, and I too hope it's something which can be treated.
I'm pretty sure the people suffering are well aware of that. This sort of mental illness isn't the kind of thing thats rooted in logic-brain, and simply "explaining" it doesn't make it go away, else society wouldn't have as much of a problem.
These treatments clearly don’t solve the underlying issue. The question is simply are they the best current alternative for a subset of the population. That is supported by hard data, even if the surgery is rather barbaric we simply don’t have the technology to do a better job while either keeping someone their old gender or swapping to another.
As to having a mental illness, that’s often how we describe issues we don’t understand or have the ability to treat. Stress ulcers are a great example of such classifications. I am not disagreeing that many of these people have significant mental issues, but calling something a mental illness isn’t specific enough to do anything with and tends to be used dismissively. Further once the underlying cause is discovered we stop thinking of say mercury poisoning as a mental health issue.
I agree with that, yes. Of course - I’m glad that society now speaks about these things openly (rather than pretending mental health issues were not real problems). But it does come with the downside you highlighted.
I argue that the right education about mental health applied to the mass population would greatly mitigate the occurrences of many if not all of the arguments here.
This gets tricky though, some psychological problems are temporary. They can be fixed with proper treatment. However people suffering from them aren't in the best place to make a decision like wether or not they should end their own life. In this case you want to protect these people and get them better.
I think the problem is we've built a society though where it's so easy to end up sad and that needs fixed.
One one hand, I believe that, to some degree, awareness creates the disease.
On the other, I see it as a sign of societal progress and even decadence. Compared to all the other ways people can be defective, these mental issues are pretty low-stakes. If depression and anxiety are occupying this much of our mindspace, there must not be bigger problems to worry about.
I generally agree. But I see a lot of that as exacerbating symptoms, not cause. I still believe that demand comes before supply for this kind of thing. There’s a mental market for the pablum.
I'm not saying it's better, I'm saying it's reality. Too many people are delusional and don't recognize that the problems they're seeing aren't isolated incidents, they're symptoms of a much larger underlying problem. Trying to treat the symptoms is futile without doing anything about the problem.
many adults have experienced the same. or say they have, in my experience. as to if it’s denial vs reality? good luck untangling the biases in any attempt to figure that out!
‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’ vs a world with a large segment of mental disorders basically resulting from someone having an existential need for something to not be broken (and no tools or time/resources to fix it).
Yes, we're in agreement on that. I just don't think we've developed good enough structures of governance nor a good enough culture of rational thinking to believe there's much hope for the overall problem in the near-to-medium term future.
We might hack away at some of the symptoms, but the human psyche is inherently ill suited for rationally weighing the needs of disparate peoples and how they effect us in complex systems like this, being as our neurology evolved for smaller groups/tribes. At least that's my pseudo-psychology take on it.
Indeed, what you say makes sense. _If_ we know how to "cure" those people. That's one big if, but I agree that (in general) society should do all what is possible to understand the human behavior and brain.
I think you're right that there are social, societal, and stress-related causes of many of these conditions that are under-explored. And certainly the cultural attitudes need to be adjusted more towards compassionate acceptance and helping others than they are today.
However, when it comes to an individual person being stuck in one of those states... What you are saying winds up feeling a tad ridiculous. For example, if presented with someone who has a delusional belief in something objectively, demonstrably false on a factual basis, to the point where acting on their belief makes them a danger to themselves or others ... It is not the case that a different society will make those delusions into true facts. What they need in that moment is probably medication. I have seen people for whom that has definitely been the case, and they show improvement with treatment.
I disagree that simply access to therapy solves the problem. I don't think we have a good understanding of the many causes and factors that affect the wide variety of mental health issues people face.
I don't disagree that society's attitude toward depression and mental illness in general is far from enlightened.
However when you consider how unexpectedly schizophrenia can creep up on people, or how unexpectedly PTSD symptoms can go from mild to severe (just two examples) even with significantly improved treatment we'd still have it happening now and then.
And even if it happened only 10% as often, it would still represent a minuscule risk for most people, perhaps slightly closer to lethal asteroid impact than to lethal food poisoning from Sushi on the risk scale.
But should we be treating those kinds of things with a medication or should we be treating it with education? Should we be more forgiving to people and allowing them the space they need to process life events instead of worrying about money or their jobs or all this crap.
The difference is handing someone a bottle and saying "here this will go away quick!" Vs just generally having a better more emotionally aware society.
Some processes that are brains go through should be allowed and it should be accepted that they run their full natural course given that the human that has the brain is also being cared for and guided in some sort of way during this process and not just isolated and shunned away.
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