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The linked article (at least right now, AP via Bloomberg) actually says the ban is indefinite.

>The ban was indefinite, said the official.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-20/some-elec...



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I don't get your comment. You say they banned them, then immediately explain that they're not banned, you just have to turn them off - just like every single electronic device in checked in luggage. Can you elaborate on this contradiction?

"Finally, while a much-discussed expansion of the ban on large electronic devices in the cabin on flights to the United States was not announced today, the Secretary made it clear that the an expansion is still on the table."

Deliberately (?) misleading headline. The devices are not banned from flights. They are banned from being carried as hand luggage

Deliberately (?) misleading headline. The devices are not banned from flights. They are banned from being carried as hand luggage

> Airlines and regulators decided that, for safety reasons, electronics are banned for passengers.

Huh? Electronics are allowed on flights in most countries, including in Japan, and including on the specific flight we're talking about. We're discussing whether it would be good for regulators to ban devices and anything else distracting during takeoff and landing.


The ban has two parts. One targets airports, the other targets specific airlines. http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2...

In a less serious vein, if you told me my kids couldn't have their Kindles or iPads on a seventeen hour flight, I'd probably want to kill someone by the end of it.



Unlike all the other restrictions on material allowed in-flight recently, this ban only applies to specific airports/countries. One must ask why shoebomber or liquid explosive plots resulted in universal bans while this one is country-specific. Imho this is business and politics. This everyday safety mesure is being applied selectively in order to disadvantage some and advantage others. If ipads are a threat, ban them. Dont ban them only on routes dominated by non-US airlines.

I am glad to see that Canada hasnt joined the madness. Flying dubai-new york? Connect through toronto and the kids can keep thier ipads. ... for now.


The current ban which is in affect limits devices based on size and is different from devices being stowed during take-off.

> It says devices that won't power up won't be allowed on planes, and those travelers may have to undergo additional screening.

Better bring your charger.


That seems reasonable to me, but I don't think that was the OPs proposition ( arrest the user ). Ban on a plane is fairly strong, but a lot more reasonable. At least compared to blank ban on electronics that included gameboys and walkmen, this one makes sense.

Fake news.

Headline says: "Homeland Security bans laptops, large electronics on all Europe-U.S. flights".

Article says "The Department of Homeland Security is prepared to ban laptops and other electronics larger than a cellphone".

So, which is it?


I doubt there's any validity to this claim, just another TC bad reporting most likely.

Banning electronics on flights would be the final nail in the coffin for air-travel, even just on international flights it would piss off so many corporate travellers that the airlines wouldn't cope with the losses - many large corps only accept 8hr+ flights for business trips because the employee(s) can work while in flight.


Linkbait. There is nothing specific in this to 787 flights and no airline is actually banning passengers taking laptops etc or even saying they are thinking about it, it's just some airlines looking at not carrying batteries as cargo.

The other irritating thing about the ban is that no distinction is made between devices that transmit RF and those that do not. Granted, there are fewer and fewer devices that one is likely to carry and use on a plane that are not capable of transmitting something (e.g. wifi or bluetooth), but iPods were banned during takeoff even before they had wifi, and AFAIK portable CD players and tape players were never allowed either. It actually makes more sense now to ban everything because enforcing that they were all in airplane mode would be impossible, but 10 years ago the ban was universally applied to electronic devices and not only radio-transmitting devices.

Mostly I just want to be able to use my Kindle during takeoff and landing. Maybe it will happen:

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/03/flight...


Are you sure the ban is in both directions? I'm pretty sure it's only on flights to the US, and what I can find online supports this.

The ban is because authorities believe security at those airports is inadequate to detect a bomb built into a laptop. This implies they believe security at other airports is able to detect such things. If the ban is being lifted for specific airlines, it's because those airlines have security sufficient to detect these laptop bombs (or at least the authorities believe they do).

It is not necessarily the case that every airline at a given airport has the exact same security. It's possible for terminals to be separated and security measures to be enhanced at only one terminal. It's possible for additional security screening to be done at the gate.


I don't understand why these bans are only for specific airlines. Maybe if the flights originate from specific airports which may have lax security. However the ban is also for flights to those destination originating from the US.

If there was a way to turn a laptop into a bomb I am sure the terrorist would just jump on a local US aircraft.


For those interested, I believe §121.542(d) is the regulation they're referring to when they say the FAA has prohibited electronic devices. http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf...

Part 121 of course only applies to airliners. For non-commercial flights, only §91.21 would apply, which is far less prohibitive. http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?node=14:2.0.1.3.10.1.4....


Except they have.

A Lufthansa spokesperson has clarified the new rules for the German news site watson: https://www.watson.de/leben/urlaub%20&%20freizeit/879935671-...

It rougly translate to: The device itself is not banned, but has to be shut off during flight. In practice this would mean that you would have to remove the battery from the airtag, since there is no powerswitch.

But I will admit that this seems odd and I think it won't be the last time we've heard about it.

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