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Why would you? You're not scrolling up to get recommendations, you're scrolling up to re-read content.

Or at least, that's me. If I want to go back to navigation, I hit the Home key (the vast majority of systems do have one or two of them...). If I'm scrolling up, it's to read.



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NOOO! That's how I go back! And use the space bar to scroll up and down!

Would you mind elaborating? Isn't it more convenient to be able to navigate without having to scroll to the top?

Wow, I hate that top navigation bar following me everywhere. I'm trying to read your article not navigate your site! If I want to change pages, I know where to go, back to the top.

I do it sometimes too, if there are many comments.

The new UI makes it more complex to make that choice though, because the position of the actual link isn't fixed, it is placed inline after the title.

Currently, you can browse the home page without moving the cursor horizontally (by keeping the cursor in place and scrolling, mostly).

Not anymore with the redesign.


Eh, those links tend to be difficult to find and not very useful in my experience. Usually it's not much harder to just scroll back to the top manually.

Plus the "show on scroll up" bars have the advantage of making it easy to access the top navigation without losing your place on the page, which is useful if you just want to open a link from the top bar in a new tab or quickly check your notifications or something.


why do you want to reload a page that you are currently on? if you want to go quickly to top/bottom of a page just use home/end keys

I'm in the same situation - and for those that I don't immediately recall, scrolling down is a simple matter...

Yes, I triple click constantly to keep track of where I am at.

Also, I'll scroll up the paragraph I am currently reading to the top of the browser window, which gets really annoying with some sites sticky header implementation where the smallest upward scroll causes the header to re-appear and cover the exact text I am trying to focus on.


No, I read the whole page top-down and press the "space" key to scroll down to the next page.

Ah, I have been looking for this comment. Finally someone else who does this! It doesn't just show me where my current spot to start from is; it prevents me from wasting time re-reading any text that I have already read. Even though this is my most common method, I occasionally use the mouse cursor (without selecting) to keep my place instead, particularly at the bottom of a page where I can no longer scroll down.

That's not really an argument, and that isn't standard navigation to begin with. It's for in-page links and the links highlight as you scroll. I would argue that it's perfectly intuitive.

An earlier screen-reader discussion suggested that <main> is of interest to screen-reader users. I presume that's because it generally doesn't repeat navigation that exists on every page.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18758847


ctrl+b, pageup is enough to start scroll back so you can skip [

No love for right side navigation then?

I use right side navigation on my blog as I find it focuses attention better on the content and I'm assuming most people arrive via a web search (stats say this anyhow) and so they're there to look at the content and not immediately to navigate off elsewhere.


I was gonna criticise OP for how many times I would have to press the tab key to get to his footer navigation menu but then I actually tried to navigate his page with just the keyboard and I have to admit it's pretty good.

If you have a lot of links mentioned in the article text then it might become more uncomfortable but OP solved that by having a link in the top of the page that will skip to navigation.

Would like to hear from screen reader users how OP's page works for them. I expect that the navigation experience is good for them too.

And in general the bottom navigation is a pretty good idea actually. Most websites I land on I land on via links from elsewhere and I am initially not interested in navigating the page. But if I read a good article on some page and I want to explore more then it is convenient that the navigation is at the bottom because I just finished reading the article, and it also avoids the awkwardness of hamburger menus that arises when the hamburger menu content is too big to fit so it either might not scroll at all, or it might scroll in a weird way.

In conclusion, OP has a valid point and I will use more footer menus and less hamburgers in the future.


There's no indication that you should start scrolling the page. I completely missed that fact the first time I visited.

I don't like this as much since a savvy user might then try to navigate to /pages/ - which has what on it?

Scroll a page. Click a link. Go back. You're back at the top of the thing you were scrolling.

You can press the X on the bottom left of the navigation page, which halts the navigation. To start back up, just press Start again.
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