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Pretty sure he is talking about physical violence.


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I think he meant 'violations' not violence

According to the quote I read yes. He was pointing out that assault (at least colloquially) implies a form of aggression, which he believed to be unlikely given official reports.

Speech directing people to hurt other people physically.

Sorry, I don't approve of definitions of "violent" that include saying mean things to them.


It was at the beginning of his comment. I think you may have been half right anyway. Technically violence only covers that punishment part.

But he probably did mean the systematic and purposeful actions to wipe out a culture were violent.

Though you meant that violence technically involves something physical, right?

But I think the English language is flexible enough to use the word violent to try and emphasize the evil of one cultural group wiping out another.


There are 4 senses of the word and only 1 names physical violence.

Thank you for helping my argument, but we can all check the dictionary on our own time.


> Assault can just be a legitimate threat of violence

The immediate threat of violence with the capacity to carry it out is assault, yes; completed violence is battery or worse.


I think calling such speech "violence" may be a straw man. By calling it violence, people are intentionally equating his words with physically hurting someone. Since everyone knows that physically hurting someone is unacceptable, they are more likely to reject the speech. I think calling it violence is an intellectually dishonest smear

Words are violence.

> Sounds like implicit intimidation. I think that if there were claims that he threatened violence, it would have been quoted in the article.

This confuses me a bit. I would personally put "implicit intimidation" under the category of "threatened violence", and it seems that the state agreed.


>No you can only use physical violence in defence of yourself or others against imminent physical harm.

That's legally. I wasn't talking about legally -- but about what people will actually do beyond some point, legal implications or not.


> When we talk about violent forms of speech, this is what we mean. Actual crimes.

If we're talking about actual crimes getting prosecuted, then what's the issue here? All I see is the law doing it's job

Somebody got swatted. Ok. We're talking about speech here, not swatting


> “Incited to engage in violence”

I am very curious as to what exactly was said and how this is incitement to violence.


> deliberately provoking violence ????

> My point is that saying it was "violent" implies that there were people hurt.

It doesn't.


You're implying physical force by comparing to an abuser situation where an implicit threat of physical force is involved. If you don't want to imply violence, don't use a violent metaphor.

> if they haven't started the violence first

You mean physical violence. Physical violence is not the only kind of violence. It seems common for people in the "nazis get to talk too" camp to forget or ignore that.


> Words are better than fists.

This is truth - but not an absolute.

When someone is using their fists against you, no words are going to protect you. While I do believe our society resorts to violence too quickly, there is a time and a place for the use of force, and I fear that we're swinging too far in the other direction.


>This notion of equating words with physical violence is so confusing to me.

Nothing in what you quote is equating words with physical violence.

You seem to be confusing the concept of “harm” (which is what is referenced) with the much narrower concept of “physical violence” (which is not, except by you.)


> When is speech violence?

When you need to justify physical assault.

Speech is not violence. Silence is not violence. Using those terms is a convenient way to escalate a situation and rationalise an attack.

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