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> "3.6% of assets under management"

It's not an agreement to pay someone 3.6%. The author probably means that since you get 2 and 20, with a bit of performance it ends up being in that ballpark.



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Typically they'd get 2% of assets under management, not 20%.

> That 2% is what you'd get charged by ANYONE with the skill and operations to manage that level of money.

Also not strictly true. Some of the large funds with (confidence in their ability to perform|managing enough money to not care about massive performance anymore) operate on 1/20 rather than 2/20.


>> two-and-twenty means 2% of assets under management every year plus 20% of any profit and 0% of any loss. why people agree to those terms is beyond me.

There is usually also a watermark to make it less one-sided. See here: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/highwatermark.asp


> I should be able to dump 19.5k/3.8k at the beginning of each year and be done with it without doing the whole song and dance.

You mean allocating your "what % of my paycheck (gross or net) goes into it" to 100% for the first few paychecks to get it to $19.5k?


> Let's take a more generous example where the GP contributes 5% of the fund. After 10 years of 2% fees, the GP has put in 5% and taken out 20%, so their net contribution is essentially 15%.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, I think you're confusing the carry and the management fee. you can't add/subtract those percentages, because they're not representation the same base quantity (ie, they're percentages of different things).

EDIT: Nevermind, I read "the GP has put in 5% and taken out 20%" as referring to a hypothetical carry of 20%.


> They pay 40% above market rate.

In many cases, that is a severe underestimate.


> BART gets to withhold the last 5 percent payment for the $2.5 billion fleet until both sets of cars hit their maintenance targets

Is it just me or does 5% not seem like nearly a large enough percent? If I only had to hit 20% of my expected performance in exchange for 95% of my pay... I would have a lot more hobbies.


> For the 20% of your customers generating 200% of your cash

I don't get this math.


> Keep in mind that the 2% is there to cover the expenses of the firm and its trading costs. The 20% is the real incentive for the fund managers.

True to a degree, unless your AUM is growing substantially faster than your costs, at which point your fees are covering more than that already.


> So today you get 9.62% for 6 months, so you'll technically earn 4.81% interest on your money after 6 months from the date of purchase.

That doesn't seem correct.

If I have $10k, and it earns an annual rate of 5%, for 6 months, I would get $250. That's not the same as saying I'm earning a 2.5% rate.

You're earning 5%, but only for 6 months.

If you were earning 2.5%, for 6 months, you'd only get $125.


> The investment portfolio is less than 15% of total bank assets. Of this, less than 2% of total bank assets is categorized as available for sale.

Is 2% good or bad?


> Do you think you are worth $x?

Yes, actually $x * 20%.


I'm not a financial wizard, but I think it means 20% per year.

I guess I was defaulting to imagining the percentage would be based on published earnings. I can see how that wouldn't realistically work in this case on second thought.

2 and 20 refers to a yearly fee of 2 % of assets, plus 20 % of profits that year.

> 40% cut of a multi-year

40%?!? I would kill for overhead that low. Most places are over 50 now. I've heard of 70% at the absolute top.


Which is why I used 25% / $60K towards the end of my example but you are correct to point that out.

There's a lot that pay more than 3% (mining, oil, banks). Your point stands for say >6%.

I'm really confused by "50% of the average." Wouldn't the average be 100% of the average? I read "50% of the average" as paying someone half of what they are worth.
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