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How do they manage to con so many buyers?


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Those people are trying to sell you something, too.

So, good sellers appeal to bad buyers.

It's actually really easy to game the trust system. Back in the day a common scam was for a seller to sell a whole bunch of cheap books, and actually deliver with great customer service. Then they would switch to selling TVs and other high ticket items, which people would buy from the highly rated seller. Needless to say they never sent the TVs.

That one was easy to spot after a few times, but it's always a cat and mouse game. As soon as they figure out what the inputs are into the system, they game it to their advantage.

At the end of the day you have to have policies that aren't tied to the reputation to make things fair and that is where the debate about pro-seller vs pro-buyer comes in.


Sales in disguise

This sounds like the old four-square sales strategy that actually works AGAINST the buyer.

Hm. 1000% sure it's a Sales tactic. Price it high and cut "deals" for clients. Oldest trick in the book.

Most of sales are like that. The very very small minority is about actually helping people. Then, a lot of people are about manipulating and stretching truth just slightly beyond breaking point. The rest straight lies.

Associated problem: salespeople seem to be gullible when buying - they get taken in by slick salespeople. Given their skills you would think they could spot someone pulling the wool over their eyes. I haven't yet worked out whether it is just admiration for a good snow job or falling for some status game.

customer obsession, but the customer they're obsessed with is the scammy marketplace seller, because that's who they really make money off of.

It’s similar to rampant doping in competitive sports, where everyone knows what’s going on. When there are millions of dollars at stake in contracts, prize money, and sponsorships, people will cheat and take risks. Even if they’re caught, the payoffs are usually greater than consequences.

The incentives and payoffs are far, far greater than any type of consequences to the seller. Worst case, they can shut down and start another shill store.


But we largely live in a consumer society where we are constantly bombarded with messages to 'buy! buy! buy!' Is it any wonder that lots of people fall for the messages? Especially when you have entire companies full of marketing people all trying to figure out a way to convince you that you need their clients' products.

'aggressive marketing tactics'. in other words, high pressure salesmen making dubious claims

Maybe there are good actors but anytime people are spending money the market will arrange for a lot of people to try to fleece uninformed buyers, and on the internet to uninform the buyers.

Part of the problem is that a lot of products are just shit that can't be sold legitimately, only mis-sold based on false promises. If you're a salesperson in a company peddling such products, your option is to mis-sell and become a conman, or be replaced by a conman.

> If it didn't confuse people (even if only unconsciously), it wouldn't be such a widespread practice.

And this is the key observation about those sales practices. Most of them work, because you're being dishonest. You only call it "growth hacking".


Many people are trying to deceive you. Sometimes consciously and sometimes not. Every interaction, whether you realize it or not, is a sales process.

Wow, up until now I attributed it to incompetence when really it was a sales tactic. Wild. Thanks for corroborating.

These guys will pitch whatever sells to the gullible.

They are deliberately creating an information asymmetry to exploit, where none naturally exists. I really dislike these sales strategies. I mean I really, really dislike them.

How can we discourage them in the market? Is 'no sale' all we have to employ against these tactics?

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