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How is any of this easier than using a password manager??


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Why not just use a password manager?

Which is weird, because using a password manager makes things easier. It's not extra effort to be secure.

I guess with password managers, this is easier than ever

Why not use a password manager?

I used to do that 5+ years ago.... Password manager is much easier...

I'm a tech savvy person and still don't use a pwd manager. I have a base password with extra stuff added at the end that I can figure out from the domain name. I want to use a password manager but it seems to me to not be easy as you claim.

It's nowhere near as easy as you hand wavingly claim it is. Last time I tried the one everyone said to use had been bought and everyone was saying don't use it, but the other alternative didn't work on mobiles (or something, I forget) properly. I even had one installed for a bit but it never seemed to work so I gave up.

It's still a broken ux with a non-trivial cost of using it.

I know I should use it, I know when I get hacked I will regret it. I do use 2 factor for the important stuff, because it works and is actually easy, unlike the bolted on clunkiness of password managers.


I guess more reason to just use a password manager to autofill your password?

If password management software was so easy, my mom would use it and my dad wouldn't call tech support every week to figure out how to use his. I'll say that it's better than it has been, but I can't call it easy.

a good password manager beats this hands down, for convenience, privacy, and security.

My point wasn't that an actual password manager would be easier. My point was that a text document on the computer would be as easy/easier to keep track of than a piece of paper.

It might reasonably be argued that it's less secure, since it's pretty hard to hack an air-gapped sheet of paper. But it's not harder to use.


A password manager is another tool that the user needs to learn, another moving part in a system that really shouldn't be so complex.

It's good advice, but it's by no means simpler than the alternative.


Honestly, having a password manager makes this so much easier.

I still like the OTP process, but it is more hassle than using the password manager.


but isn't a password manager just as much of a barrier in this context?

Or you could just use a password manager...

"Use a password manager" is so much easier to explain and teach.

Password managers help mitigate the second problem (passwords being hard to use correctly) but do absolutely nothing for the first one (passwords being easy for users to shoot themselves in the foot with by using them incorrectly). Even the most user-friendly, well-designed password manager is still less convenient than just re-using the same password everywhere.

I would just not use a password manager if I had to do that honestly.

Unfortunately these days it’s even easier with password managers containing all three (user, pass, token)

Exactly - it's not just convenience. Without a password manager how the hell can you actually keep unique passwords that are completely unrelated on all your sites? You can't.

For me password manager is all about practicality.

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