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> there is no way that we will be waiting until 2022 for this to be deployed

How sure would you say you are? Want to put some money on that?



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>they are holding off on releasing after the world gave them feedback

They did not state that they are changing things to address the concerns. Deploy it now, or deploy it later, it's the same thing being deployed.


> If you work in the industry or even follow the public announcements closely, it's very clear that the next 5 years will see a rapid uptick in deployments with improving ODD capabilities.

I follow the public announcements very closely, and have seen your sentiment about "ready in five years" expressed since at least 2014.


>much more advanced models and even agi coming in the next year or 2

Are you certain this is going go happen? Especially in such a short timeframe.


>But then again, so what; if it comes out in 2036 it comes out in 2036.

There's this whole 'passing of time', and "we'll all eventually die", thing though, right?

If it comes out in 2036, it's totally irrelevant for a working dev in 2024 to be concerned with it. So that he'll get to use it in a decade? At this point it's already a promise-ware, and it's like it has community adoption to be promising.


> So I am guessing we could see 1.0 release within 12 months time? Or will there be 0.10 or 0.11 after that?

1.0 is going to take a lot longer than that.


> When is the estimated release for S42 or Star Citizen.

At the rate at which the scope of the project has been expanding? Never.


> It was announced two months ago.

But was started more than a year ago (the first commit was made in April 2012)

> Would you trust it enough to use it in production in the next two to five years?

Why not?


> I don't believe it will exist in it's current form in two years,

Why?


> The project is ambitious as hell and may or may not ever get finished

Finished? Hell, I'll be surprised if they get started on it in any substantive way.


> IMO 2024 -- 2 years-- is just the perfect amount of time. It's slightly aggressive but doable.

Yes, perfect, most developers start working on this Q1 or Q2 2024 at the earliest.


> I believe they'll arrive soonish

Depends what you mean by soonish... there's certainly no concrete plan for how to implement them yet (or even a vaguely sensible proposed syntax).


> Wayland isn't ready, I have serious doubts it's ever going to be ready.

I don't know enough to have opinion about Wayland - could you share more details about why you do not think it is ready?


> At this stage of a project, claims like that should be regarded as pure speculation.

Sure. At some point it's worthwhile to actually built it in order to test the projections. And it looks like that point is now.


> We'll probably have to wait a few more years until Webassembly

I agree, so in the meantime what do we do?


To add some context: the Librem 5 project started with a crowdfunding campaign at the end of 2017. The initial projected release date was early 2019, but the project caught delays and eventually started shipping preorders in quantity in late 2020 (early revisions started shipping to backers who opted in for those at the turn of 2019/2020 already). At this point, however, the world was well into component shortage, which ended up severely impacting the production. Right now the shipping queue is at the preorders from early 2019 (with some thousands of phones already shipped) and is expected to reach the present somewhere in the first half of 2023. The product is certainly "built yet", it's just shipping slower than anticipated and, in turn, still has a queue of preorders from years ago to fulfill (I believe the most dense preorder periods have been handled by now though).

Disclosure: I work for Purism as a software dev.


>Yep. My only surprise is that they took them this long to stop working on it.

Where they really working on it?


> Is there any place for monoliths in 2020?

> Is there any place for monoliths in 2021?

maybe one year we'll get our answer!


> there is rumoured to be one ready for release soon

Is it anything more than a speculation that it's possible in principle?


> Once ordered this will take years to build. I don't see a figure, but would guess 5+ years...?

As an early funder of Star Citizen, I cannot feel superior about this.

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