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> Personally I recommend IvyBridge-EP or Haswell Xeon E5

Err, the ME has been present on every Intel system since 2006 or so.

The only thing that changed with Skylake is that the ME runs on an x86 core, on previous processors the ME ran on some RISC microcontroller.



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>ahead of the Xeon E5 V3 series I'm confused (probably because I don't understand Intel Xeon). Isn't that Haswell, and thus now two generation back?

Q: How does one actually determine intel ME is present in a CPU... I've got an old P8600, I can find no definitive list of CPUs or ways to test for it. Some articles say all intel CPUs since 2006, others say only the newer "core" brand.

> My broadwell (i5-2500k)

That's Sandy Bridge, 3 generations older than Broadwell.


> TME-MK is available in Intel 3rd Generation Xeon server processors and Intel 12th Generation Core client processors.

Does anybody know the reason why the 12th generation supports it ([0]) but the 13th does not [1]?

[0] https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134599/...

[1] https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/230496/...


They do, and it's what runs the Intel ME.

> Intel platforms also had an ARC processor

That is true for older designs. But didn't Intel switch from ARC to SPARC for their ME core not that long ago? Discussed here a while back:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8813029


Can you recommend a better article on retail availabilty of Kaby Lake Xeon?

> Intel kind of quietly slipped out the Kaby Lake Xeon E3 processors right smack in the middle of its Technology and Manufacturing Day last week, and it did not make a big deal about it.

This is relevant to customers buying Xeon E3 hardware. Over the last few weeks, OEMs quietly added Kaby Lake Xeons to some existing devices. Because the chips are compatible with existing motherboards, there were no new devices to be announced. With little coverage of this announcement, it is easy to end up buying an i7 Kaby Lake or a E3 Skylake on a device, if you did not know that E3 Kaby Lakes are now shipping.


> "The Intel Management Engine (ME) is some kind of separate computer within all modern Intel processors (CPU)."

Maybe this was a translation to English, but it makes it seem like they're not sure what the Intel ME is.


Per the caption it’s an Ivy Bridge, i.e. not the Xeon the article talks about.

There’s an annotated die photo of the CLAP (seriously, did nobody in Intel marketing predict “Intel gives you the CLAP”, “Intel CPUs have the CLAP” and khibosh this name?!) predecessor die at [1].

1: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/microarchitectures/skylak...


Here's some advice:

I can never remember any details regarding the Intel chipsets. Is a given CPU a Haswell processor? Ivy bridge? Should I wait for Broadwell? Am I misremembering code words entirely? I would love it if this site helped me figure out which chipset I'll be getting, in case I care.


> whereas Intel only allows virtualization on Xeon and K-series processors.

I'm not an expert on Intel CPU market segmentation, but I do work for Intel on the i965 Mesa driver. I don't think your statement is true.

See http://ark.intel.com/search/advanced?s=t&VTX=true

That's a list of all Intel CPUs with VT-x. It's really easy to narrow down the selection from there. FWIW, I see lots of Skylake i3, i5, and i7s with VT-x.


That's interesting. Which Intel gen is Skylake?

> Intel goes with here are some real beefy cores who can do anything , here are some weaker core who can do only some task.

This isnt true any more as of Intel's current CPUs (Meteor Lake). Both P and E cores support the same instruction set, including AVX10.


http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/4U/8048/SYS-8048B-...

Quad socket R1 (LGA 2011) supports Intel® Xeon® processor E7-8800 v4/v3, E7-4800 v4/v3 family (up to 24-Core)

Up to 12TB DDR4 (128GB 3DS LRDIMM); 96x DIMM slots (8x memory module boards: X10QBi-MEM2)

AFAIK the latest Skylake Xeons ("Scalable" - Platinum/Gold/Silver/Bronze) have regressed to 1.5TB support, see https://ark.intel.com/products/93794/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7... http://www.colfax-intl.com/nd/downloads/Intel-Xeon-Scalable-... corroborated by https://ark.intel.com/products/120502/Intel-Xeon-Platinum-81...

Since a single 128GB stick costs about 2900 USD, 96 of them will run to ~280 000 USD plus the server so it's likely to be above 300 000K.

If you want to go with 6TB "only" then it's a lot, lot cheaper as 64GB RDIMM sticks can be had below 700 USD. The end result might cost closer to a third of the 12TB server than half of it.

RAM prices comparison: https://memory.net/memory-prices/


> the Intel CPU dispatcher does not only check which instruction set is supported by the CPU, it also checks the vendor ID string. If the vendor string says "GenuineIntel" then it uses the optimal code path. If the CPU is not from Intel then, in most cases, it will run the slowest possible version of the code, even if the CPU is fully compatible with a better version.[1]

I’ve been a little shy about using intel software since reading about this years ago

[1] https://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49


> - Use all-Intel hardware

Stopped reading there.


FWIW, it appears that all of the i3, i5, and i7 Skylakes support both VT-x and VT-d.

I agree that this has been confusing in the past (as evidenced by the mix of Atom, Celeron, Pentium, i3, i5, i7, Xeon in your link), but I think at least in VT-* it's been greatly simplified.


> (it's a core i7)

That doesn't tell anyone much.

The first i7 was released in 2008.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture)


> You can replace you CPU from Intel by another from AMD.

Not unless you also replace the motherboard. AMD and Intel CPUs have different sockets and incompatible firmware.

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