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rhizome · 2018-01-06 17:50:29+00:00

So that's a bit alarming for me since at least one of my several workstations is using a 5+ year old desktop board (an Intel board, ironically) that has been end-of-lifed according to its BIOS downloads support page

Buy stock in Gigabyte, MSI, etc.

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sandworm101 | karma 32703 | avg karma 3.4 · | 2020-04-26 10:55:13

>> Unless you manage to find an X470 board that's been sitting on the shelf since before last July

Happens every day. People are still buying boards like that off Amazon. All sale/clearance stock is likely still on the old bios.

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TylerE | karma 18504 | avg karma 2.4 · | 2023-03-23 00:54:39

For how long?

That board uses a chipset that has been out of production for 9 years.

The newest CPU it supports was released in 2017, and has been off the market for 3 years.

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BeeOnRope | karma 2502 | avg karma 3.0 · | 2022-01-07 22:02:13

Soon enough most motherboard BIOSes will come already with the new microcode disabling AVX-512, so you also have to hunt down an old-stock motherboard.

ahelwer | karma 9106 | avg karma 5.39 · | 2021-02-06 00:56:27+00:00

CPUs are immortal, it's the motherboards that die. If you want to run a certain chipset, after some amount of time it's motherboard availability that will keep you from doing that!

wmf | karma 46152 | avg karma 2.46 · | 2024-05-31 17:20:37

They're going to make new motherboards every year regardless, so any support for old motherboards is in addition to that.

bastawhiz | karma 10010 | avg karma 3.84 · | 2016-12-18 23:54:40+00:00

Do modern motherboards even still ship with AGP and IDE? I thought those were on a death march almost a decade ago.

kube-system | karma 21374 | avg karma 2.36 · | 2019-11-13 15:22:43+00:00

I see a lot of mentions of Gigabyte and Asus in this thread -- I have had good luck with MSI boards too.

Maybe the reason Intel quit making boards is because there are lots of good motherboards now?

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mqus | karma 1101 | avg karma 3.23 · | 2019-11-18 14:47:49+00:00

Well, as this only concerns their own motherboards, there is no more hardware to buy from them[1], so I really don't think that's it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21513556

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nh2 | karma 2553 | avg karma 5.33 · | 2018-11-27 14:01:41

Well, I originally got this ASRock mainboard because they seem to be much better on support.

For example, they have BIOS updates still in 2018, while the vendor of my previous mainboard from the same generation stopped pushing updates in 2016.

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transpute | karma 8474 | avg karma 5.33 · | 2024-04-12 01:05:15

> For personal computing, any recommendations on motherboard manufacturers who take security seriously?

Dell Enterprise devices receive long-term security updates. In addition, Dell will happily sell ProSupport for used hardware, and will even transfer existing ProSupport coverage on used devices (e.g. purchased on eBay). ProSupport gets you competent and US-based tech support engineers with the power to solve tech and ordering (e.g. spare parts) quickly.

Dell 1L micro PCs / thin clients are affordable on the used market.

There's a modern MSI Intel motherboard with coreboot support, https://www.phoronix.com/news/Coreboot-Start-ADL-MSI-Dasharo

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chrisper | karma 1 | avg karma 0.0 · | 2018-01-03 16:42:15+00:00

Ah okay. Thanks. I have been an Intel guy for all the years now, so I was used to getting new motherboards.

Good to know AMD is doing that! Getting new motherboards is annoying.

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justinclift | karma 11995 | avg karma 1.81 · | 2024-05-11 19:56:32

Looks like ASUS have turned to crap.

I've only been getting ASRock motherboards (due to ECC support) over the last few years, but ASUS would have been my second choice. Until now. :(

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tomc1985 | karma 11141 | avg karma 2.76 · | 2018-04-02 13:55:59

For a while my employer was buying motherboards with a graphics chip that requires gma500 drivers. Forget which but it was an Atom platform of somewhat recent vintage. gma500 ain't dead yet, sadly

voltagex_ | karma 10530 | avg karma 1.86 · | 2019-08-09 14:10:44+00:00

https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X11SSH-TF 6th and 7th gen Intel chips (current gen is 9th, with 10th on the horizon). Not a bad board, though.

soylentcola | karma 2431 | avg karma 1.79 · | 2019-11-13 16:29:03

Also anecdotal:

My desktop is still running smoothly on its Asus mobo from 2014 (I believe it was the Z97-P but I'm not home at the moment to double check). No fancy RGB LEDs, but I haven't shopped for one in a while so that may be harder to accomplish now. Not sure.

Either way, they've always been competitively priced and well supported. Used them to build both gaming and general use machines for friends/family over the past several years without issue.

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21 | karma 5153 | avg karma 3.36 · | 2017-06-07 23:39:10+00:00

Most of these boards are made and sold by third parties (MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte, ...).

caycep | karma 1777 | avg karma 1.44 · | 2020-05-09 00:43:41

I found an ITX board for that chip from Asus or Asrock...it's still living as extra workstation for the office!

mattgreenrocks | karma 7288 | avg karma 3.13 · | 2024-02-23 13:54:39

Fair enough. I build it to last 7-10 years typically, so happy to spend a little more on a quality board.

What's the go-to basic mobo brand/board for non-tweakers these days?

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SkeuomorphicBee | karma 2177 | avg karma 8.44 · | 2023-10-30 09:34:58

One small caveat: the "came out" date is irrelevant, the relevant date is the date an alternative appeared. In this case the real info is the replacement came out ~5 years ago (or ~4 depending on the definition).

And the situation is worse for AMD users, only 3 years since a compatible board came out.

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