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a buyer's market for labor doesn't mean a declining industry, just that strong demand had made an excess supply, as happens from time to time.


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It's not goods, it's a labor market. And when supply is out of whack with demand, your bargaining power goes through the floor -- which leads to situations like this.

Well, it's not a "labor shortage" because, as others have explained, there is an ample supply of workers if an employer is willing to pay for them.

If the labor market is growing isn't this just indicative of high demand for labor and low supply of labor?

So why is it a seller's market?

What are the market forces that led to this, when there wasn't a worker shortage just a little over a year ago?


jnordwick's excellent point is that demand can grow without any obvious bound. That has an impact on both ends of the labor market. Sure, people will be willing to work more to acquire the things they want, but that demand itself generates a need for jobs and leverage for labor. Somebody needs to design and manufacture the next iPhone or fancy TV. Somebody else needs to refurbish and maintain that lovely seaside Airbnb for jnordwick's next vacation.

This can be a self-reinforcing cycle, and it's how the economic pie can grow even as everyone on the whole takes more.


Ah yes it’s a “labor shortage” not high labor demand and wages of course.

I think people sometimes don't consider how small a shift in supply and demand in a labor market can change things. A couple percent of the industry's workforce laid off, and even 5-10% fewer open positions (I suspect it's much worse than that), and suddenly a hot job market looks a hell of a lot cooler.

There is no shortage of labor. There is just a shortage of labor at the price workers are willing to accept.

The market has spoken. If your business can't survive at market labor rates, it doesn't deserve to.


There can't be a labor shortage on a free market, right? There can only be a labor shortage for the price you are offering for that labor.

"Shortages" just mean companies don't want to pay market rates. It's almost always disingenuous when people talk about labor shortages.

If the demand for labor exceeds the population there will be a labor shortage that is not a wage shortage...

If there isn't a market for it then there isn't a shortage of labor -- the correct equilibrium point has been found. And yet, they're claiming a shortage. They want to eat their cake and have it too.

> Basic supply and demand" is almost always wrong for the labor market.

We’ll just have to agree to differ. Although I would be curious to hear about examples of this scenario where employers hire more people when the cost of labor goes up.


It's not necessarily true with respect to jobs that if the price goes up, demand drops.

The person you’re replying to didn’t say there isn’t a labor shortage. Only that the cause of the labor shortage is oft incorrectly identified as solely due to demand.

If there was a real shortage, it wouldn't be a problem. The more a business needs labour, the more flexible the 'requirements'.

If there really is excess demand for a kind of labor, then the labor can borrow enough to pay for it; it wouldn't make sense to blame an insufficient subsidy as a bottleneck.

It's not a matter of "oversupply" or not. The harder it is for companies to hire, the more they are willing to pay, so long as they can still generate revenue at those wages.

Prices are definitely rising, but it's debatable whether that's due to a labor shortage.
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