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I'm not sure what point of mine you're arguing. I agree that new markets exist.


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You guys are comparing a single saturated market to the economy as a whole. That's a category error. New markets are always emerging.

I would disagree that's a market.

that market already exists

Of course it's the definition of a market. Why is that a problem? Nothing in your comment contradicts what I said, although I don't agree with everyone you said.

That's not how it works. You're creating your own definition of what a market is or should be or how it works.

which market and why doesn't it make sense?

Sure, then show me an open market where this was being done before at scale ?

Pretty much all markets sell convenience. Buying something at one place and time and selling it in another that's more convenient to the buyer is what traders do.

And yes, alternatives exist. But companies are selling the bits for more than the cost of production and millions of people are buying it, despite cheaper competition. This seems to be sustainable. So the original argument about economics and what markets will bear is false.


You're right Fred, we just don't see the world the same way

I personally don't think the idea of "markets" has much to offer the world now, it's an outdated and immature way of trying to see complex things in a simple way.

Sorry we can't seem to have a more grown up conversation about it, but not only are you inflexible you've crossed the line into making personal remarks which is unacceptable.

Anyway, enjoy your belief system.


I don't think you understand the market I'm describing.

The existence of markets isn't being contested. If that's what you mean then sure. Markets exist. We can both move on with our days now.

Obviously, that does not apply if the market already exists, which it usually does. In that case you have to be different and better enough than the alternatives.

You seem to be refuting claims I never made. I'm simply perplexed that so many people don't know this market exists (as is indicated/suggested by the number of upvotes).

Sorry but I have no idea who you are or what you are talking about. What kind of market are you referring to?

Whereabouts in Asia? That's an interesting counterpoint and example.

I agree with you completely: I'm not a 'markets' guy because I think they're the answer to all problems all the time, but because I think in this case we could use more of them.


I don't understand; if the market exists, then why can't you find any?

That's making a new market.

Pretty different than trading against an existing market.


It's certainly not a criticism of markets per se - it's a criticism of those who think markets are an appropriate replacement for reason.

You have it backwards.

Markets exist because of scarcity, not because of abundance. If something is available in unlimited abundance, there's no need of a market for it.

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