This assumes a very high level of naivety by the people funding the company, who at least theoretically, should be, or have access to, technical experts that can study the technology for themselves.
We're not talking about people raising money from the general public or using heavy-handed sales tactics. We're talking about billionaires funding this thing - I'm not going to cry if they lose money on a bad investment (unless there is outright fraud involved).
The part where the investors invest this much money without going through the technical detail of the product always confuses me. How can yo spend that much money responsibly without having enough expertise onboard to evaluate the technical feasibility. Maybe I am just too naive.
I agree. sounds like a red flag when they reply with "yeah everyone is buying it so your question is irrelevant" instead of providing a technical explanation/response. I am also skeptical on companies that raise too much funding (I can not imagine why they need $18million)
In fairness, most people have very little idea of basic physics, and this project has something in common with the sort of extremely dubious projects even investment professionals throw their weight behind: a founder with credible-sounding paper credentials.
Investors are not necessarily people with a grasp of technical knowledge. Without help, they have a hard time distinguishing PowerPoint bullshit from technically conceivable, viable ideas.
comments like this really make me smh. what's wrong with some lucky people getting rich off of this? you do realize they financed that research for the past 20 years, and if it's actually an investment group instead of a few passionate individuals I can guarantee you they also financed a shitload of other endeavours that went nowhere and ate the losses, lol.
you could do the same, get together with a group of other people and invest in something using your disposable software eng income (maybe you already are). or you could just complain when someone else takes the risk and reaps the rewards because you apparently have no concept of things like jealousy, envy, or basic economics lol.
No comment on this technology but only commenting on the thought process that Sam or any of these “intellectual billionaires” are right about complex scientific problems because they know enough people who know how this tech works is not valid. The people who circle billionaires have a huge conflict of interest to convince them to fork over billions, and they know people like Sam are smart enough that you can’t lie to them. So they do (subconsciously often) what George Costanza said which is believe in the lie themselves. So yeah don’t trust experts If they’re looking at you for a cheque (even if they themselves won’t directly get the check).
Agreed. Most tech investors are not savvy enough to make informed decisions when it comes to high-tech ventures. A lot of investors rely on other investors' opinions as a barometer for quality/value because they don't understand what they're doing.
When you have too many empty suits at the top making all the decisions, then you get into a situation of the blind leading the blind. It is shocking that it can happen at such a scale.
It's frustrating for intelligent, motivated founders who do the hard work to watch vaporware competitors getting billion dollar valuations and taking all the market share right in front of them.
Too many investors don't have a clue about what real innovation/value looks like because they've never actually seen it - Most of them probably got into their position through a combination of hard hustling and luck instead of through hard work and critical thinking.
Unfortunately, hustling doesn't advance science or human knowledge.
There's a small number of grifters leading a very large number of naive tech types who genuinely believe they're about to make a bunch of money on this thing they don't quite understand but must be legit or there wouldn't be so many people working on it.
There is no issue with a company that someone's not gonna show up and say "Well of course they don't care about anything but profits" which in an environment where governments are systematically willing to backstop risky bets made with financial leverage, mostly means make whatever decisions align with the confidence or whims of the majority of an increasingly top-heavy pool of investment capital
I'm well aware and I agree. Systematically, this fundamentally means that no human being should extend any trust to any corporation in this economic environment, that no corporation can be trusted to build anything remotely resembling infrastructure (including any tool anyone will depend on for a period of time longer than one fiscal quarter). That no corporation can be trusted to keep any promise to anyone who is not a top-level investor
You are telling me, and I agree, that these large firms are dangerous animals that I can't reason with, that could decide to maul me at any time, and that my best bet is to limit my exposure to them as much as I can manage, moreso the larger they are. This means that it is in the interest of everyone who isn't themselves an oligarch to use every meager lever of power available to them to try to change this situation, up to and including killing these things when possible, because it is deeply difficult to avoid being under the power of these behemoths, and they do not and will never have your best interests in mind in any respect someone doesn't force them to
That's the logical conclusion of this thing people keep telling me is obvious as though that also means it's inevitable. But for some reason a lot of people who wanted to tell me how this all works seem either surprised or sometimes even hostile when I start talking about stuff like that
That said, the part they should "know better" about is that this use case makes no sense whatsoever for the technology as it actually works. I'd be really surprised if this kind of thing even positively impacted their stock valuation because it reeks of a flailing and incompetent vision for how to apply the technology. The most charitable I can be for a thing like this is to say "well they got caught up in the stupid hype and are just trying to throw an LLM into anything they can", which works for a lot of companies but not for one that's spent over a decade building world-class expertise and could be argued to have actually invented the specific underlying technology powering this hype wave. I get that the underlying motivation for any decision made by a company is that they think they will profit from it. This is tautological. I am saying that even from that perspective, this is conspicuously stupid in a way that only seems like it can inspire investor confidence if investors continue to buy hype that seems decreasingly tethered to reality
Most of the comments seem to be basically medieval anti-progress views. It's really sad, and seems to be becoming even more of a norm across the technologies (e.g. AI also)
When I read this, my first thought was this company almost certainly won't succeed, but it's great that there is private investment going into developing the technology. What a way better thing to explore than some "me-too" SaaS CRM thing or wherever the usual VC money flows.
not suggesting that they are not credible or anything but I think their technology shouldn't excite people that much. And may be rather than public funding this bank's side project, perhaps banks can use some of their profits to develop this on their own or with Ripple or at least may be it should be funded by large investors who have large stakes in banks. Just ponder upon, why should you fund this experiment/technology?
There are gambles like "I want to heavily invest in this technology" and there are gambles like "I want to commit fraud to bail out my other company". The thing people are criticising isn't the gamble, and it's disingenuous to present that as the main issue.
Even if one takes an amoral view of it, there is a risk that the people you were investing in will now waste time investigating a non-existent technology.
Or that they will incorrectly discount things that you say in the future. But then that's one of the reasons that lying is so often a bad strategy in the first place.
Seems a bit unfair to call them idiots.. by optimizing funding they are minimizing their risk at the expense of higher returns.
This seems like a good thing for a business to do, although perhaps they should figure out better ways to do this so they don't anger all their consumers
I think it's a good reminder that large investors are human and don't possess any special knowledge or magical foresight. Consequently, everything they say about the future of technology and society should be taken with a large grain of salt - not treated like god's honest truth.
I'm unclear on what you're asking me to opine on, but if you're looking for me to state my stance, as differentiated from the two aforementioned parties, here it is.
TL;DR - Armchair experts on either side of the argument make poor investors.
The lack of barriers to creating, marketing, and hype-selling a new project inherently makes 99% of the projects in this space "vaporware". The terms "grift, rugpull, scam" etc. are appropriate.
Unsophisticated retail "investors" (and hell, even sophisticated speculators just subscribing to 'greater fool' investing - e.g., most VCs) are focused heavily on the upside in these types of projects, because the measure of success is "money made". There are people who respond to this by writing off the space entirely - "It's a ponzi scheme", "scam city", "tulips", etc. All fun memes to tout the "I told you so narrative"
My personal belief is that there is the potential for "ethical alpha" (subjective, perhaps - primarily meant to differentiate from 'get out before it implodes' alpha) to be had by investing long-term in the remaining projects with the combination of development attention, enterprise buy-in, and scaling capabilities that could deliver meaningful value to end-users. I'm not going to get into a debate over which projects meet these criteria, whether they exist, or any other debate which likely will revolve endlessly with no resolution.
I acknowledge there are risks associated with the broader technology being adopted in a meaningful sense, but subscribe to a perspective that there is yet-unrealized value in its application.
We're not talking about people raising money from the general public or using heavy-handed sales tactics. We're talking about billionaires funding this thing - I'm not going to cry if they lose money on a bad investment (unless there is outright fraud involved).
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