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You can also bring up japan as a counter-example. It's even safer and cleaner & it's still a democracy!


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Singapore and Japan are two countries where I've seen things work that don't work anywhere else because the citizenry treats the commons so well (whether out of pure civic pride or fear of some consequences I don't have any idea).

New Zealand, all the Nordic countries, many western democracies all provide very good examples of good government without jailing people who speak up against their rulers and without strict censorship laws

They are all really nice countries to live in too


Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, even Chile, would say otherwise. It doesn’t require a centuries long history of institutionalized representative government to foster wellbeing.

The didn't recently have a president looking to undermine the very fabric of democracy. That already makes it better than the USA

Can you name a country who hasn't done bad things?

Name a country which does not try to sweep things under the rug constantly.

Of course it's better and again, the experience of other democracies (say in Scandinavia for instance) proves it beyond the shadow of a doubt.

What’s an example of a country you think is well run?

Perfection isn't required and as others have noted there are countries with far less problems so obviously it is possible

Try Singapore - what I would consider the model country. It’s what happens when a country decides that filthy cities with piss and feces everywhere, drugs openly being used in public homeless tent cities, and casual shoplifting not only tolerated but actually celebrated by some is not a measure of progress or w/e the hoards think it is.

Normal countries don't have these issues (to the same extent atleast).

Except that there's other countries where their governments don't seem to have these problems.

The governments of larger states like Britain, France, Spain and Germany are not without problems, but we're not casting envious glances at how Serbia and Bulgaria are run, never mind Belarus :)

Outside Europe you've got a group which includes central American states famed for frequent coups and revolutions, nations synonymous with conflict like Libya, Sierra Leone and Israel/Palestine, extremely authoritarian post USSR central Asian states, a rare communist holdout in Laos, the absolute monarchy of the UAE and Togo which might as well be having been ruled by the same family for its entire history.

Singapore isn't a 'hellish dystopia', its positively paradise compared with most of them, despite the obvious limits to its democracy. Costa Rica's last half century is positive too, I guess.


Those places have good government, I guess that's what saves them.

That's much better than the U.S., where they just let polluters functionally disappear absolved of all responsibility after poisoning the town for decades.

Not to mention other countries have done this with little issue.

Other governments do it just fine.

Can you name one place that doesn't have a government and is successful? Not even good for the people living there, but successful in general?

Despite of not being perfect in handling it, it seems no other country is doing better.
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