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> It is more like a modern iteration of very old Confucian ideals

Confucious also said "those who cannot forgive others break the bridge over which they themselves must pass.”



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There's a Confucius saying in here somewhere.

quote is by Confucius. :)

That's Xunzi, not Confucius. Good quote though.

</chinese geek>


Pretty sure Confucianism greatly values conformism, so such proverb would be uncharacteristic.

Probably a translation from a Confucian concept in English

> Traditional Confucian philosophy certainly did not despise self-promotion. Confucius proclaimed himself the greatest sage alive, and his arrogant attitude turned off every ruler he was trying to advise.

This doesn't actually follow - "do as I say, not as I do" and all that. The actions of the philosopher and the preferences of the philosophy do not have to match.


> Ideas and sayings evolve and grow over time, becoming pithier and more accessible.

Or more distorted and self-serving.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers


> ...but without the invisible man in the sky.

'?', "Heaven", is literally a pictogram of the 'invisible man in the sky'.

The ancient Chinese were monotheist, and Confucius was no exception.

Trying the fit modern norms over historical people and cultures that existed 3000 years ago silly, don't do that.


> Or rather, nothing ever came west.

That's simply not true. Asian culture had a tremendous influence, even if somewhat misunderstood or reinterpreted, on the West. Our exam system in universities is inspired by the Chinese. People like Voltaire did admire Confucius' way to (not) talk about God. Leibniz was impressed by Yi-king's numerical perfection. Etc. (I agree that the zen-this and dao-that we have nowadays is an uninformed Western distortion, though).

Edit: And I dislike the quote in the article. I read Daode Jing many time, in different translation, and I don't remember having seen this. Anyway, any quotation of Chinese classics that do not give the reference is deemed to be a joke (like those Confucius said jokes).


> I never found anything subversive ... in Confucius

What do you mean? Did you expect him to tell you to fight the power?


> I surely won't trust a book written in 1922.

It works because a large part of it is based not just on Chinese culture, but on human nature.

Its the reason that the Ten Commandments are still relevant today, because as Paul Mooney said, "It puts its foot in man's ass", or in other words, because many of the stories in the Bible were written by people with an understanding of human nature.

The same reason so much of the Constitution of the United States of America still works. Its written to humanity's nature, not current events of 1776.


"Confucius said: 'The ancients were hesitant to speak, fearing that their actions would not do justice to their words.'"

> Suffering (and ritual suicide, too) is very much a part of Taoism.

Interesting, it's certainly not found in the 'classics' of Taoism. Where exactly does it come from?


>"“Everything has beauty, but not everyone can see it.”

- Confucius"


I hate to be that guy, but Confucius probably said no such thing.[0]

[0]https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Confucius#Misattributed


> ??????,?????? - Confucius

Confucius said, "Is there anyone who can even for a day give their full strength to being humane? I haven’t met anyone who lacked the strength. But if anyone has done this, I haven’t seen it."

(http://dailyanalect.tumblr.com/post/113164355376/46)


>Furthermore, I doubt any Chinese person, apart from a scholar, could actually write down a few lines from these works

They might not know it but its still ingrained, influences their culture and laws.


I don't think that's Confucius. Doesn't sound like him, can't find any source mentioned online. It appears in a lot of places online, like fake quotes do, but never with a source.
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