If you read this article, you will at least understand the reason why they introduce such law.
With 1.6 billion people, it's common to see chaos when a single person doesn't follow the rules, that woman in the news is a typical example. She didn't get any punishment from the railway company, nor the police can do anything about her behaviour, simply because there is no such law exists. In the end, she got suspended from her job as a primary teacher!
They don't necessarily ban you from trains outright but ban you from the comfortable trains (the article mentions high-speed trains).
A lot of these punishments seem targeted at the middle class and business people by forcing them to go down a peg or two if they don't abide by the rules. It's making them lose face, which is something very important in China.
That isn’t really unusual for china. Often times, they just introduce a law without any plan on enforcement, and everyone just ignores it until they can’t anymore. It really isn’t a problem as China isn’t a rule of law country, everyone is used to this.
Because the linked source is delibrately vague with the facts. The police there runs a electronic billaboard that displays images of jaywalkers in an attempt to shame them. The system apparently glitched and captured Ms Dong's face on a bus. Actual image linked below.
I don't think anybody was fined over this - China is very much underpoliced and pedestrians pretty much make their own rules. Most people saw this as another joke in an act of.futility and move on.
If anything, you should take this as an indication and treat all the circlejerk in Anglosphere about China and its social credit system with a huge grain of salt.
(edit: oy, this is a controversial comment? karma score is swinging wildly. I don't mean to suggest that China's social credit system is a good idea or that it has an equivalent in the USA. It's just worth pointing out that China's own characterization of the system is pretty similar to how things work in the US...)
From the article:
> People who would be put on the restricted lists included those found to have committed acts like spreading false information about terrorism and causing trouble on flights, as well as those who used expired tickets or smoked on trains, according to two statements issued on the National Development and Reform Commission’s website on Friday.
The US may ban you from flying if you are politically controversial [1]+, get kicked off a flight [2, edit: 4], or sneak onto planes without a ticket [3].
Likewise, people who trespass on public transit are often barred from its use. And of course people who break traffic laws are (eventually) kicked off the roads.
I won't comment on whether the Chinese government's characterization of its laws is accurate or not (I don't speak any relevant language and don't know much about the culture, so all I have to go off of is western media). But at least according to the Chinese government, these rules are mostly in-line with how things often work in the US.
+ The "predictive assessments" (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/10/us-no-fly-li...) used for putting people on the no-fly list are not very transparent and, IMO, reminiscent of a social credit system. It's extremely hard to imagine such a system that doesn't harshly penalize certain constitutionally protected speech (e.g., about Islam and US foreign policy in the ME).
A lot of the people in china simply are not borned in hospital 20 ago.
Every family has at least two children from where I grown up, even the official of the village. More like the case of speeding. You are not allowed, but you can get away with it, if the police are not there or feel it is better for him to not give you a ticket.
even a lot of Chinese are surprised when I talk about this with them. So be careful about the media's report. (they report what they think it is true, but might not)
The documents do not make "bad social credit" (whatever that means) a punishable cause. There is one clause relating to spread of false information but it specifically says "false terrorism information related to civil aviation safety".
There are two classes of offenders. Air travel and luxury/sleeper/high speed G-train travels are banned; regular trains are not.
The first class of offences pertain to directly violating transport regulations, like refusing to quit smoking on an airplane, forcing one's way onto the runway, or refusing to pay for a ticket even after getting caught riding the train without one.
The second class is credit related and has six categories. The first four categories are mostly targeted at resourceful people who have misdeeds but somehow are not criminally punished. One thing that conceivable casts a wider net is for those that refuse to pay social security insurance premiums or obtain social security payments through false documents. The fifth category is about people refusing to follow court orders. The sixth category about "others" that could be added is more elastic but it did say that changes need to be published by editing the document.
Google Translate of the six categories:
1. The party who has the ability to perform but refuses to perform major tax violations;
2. In the field of fiscal fund management and use, there is a person responsible for serious dishonest behaviors such as fraud, false reports, fraud, fraudulent taking, interception, misappropriation, arrears of international financial organizations and foreign governments’ due debts;
3. Those who have serious acts of dishonesty in the following areas in the field of social insurance: employers fail to participate in social insurance in accordance with relevant regulations and refuse rectification; employers have not faithfully applied for social insurance payment bases and have refused to make corrections; Those who have insurance premiums but have the capacity to pay but refuse to pay; conceal, transfer, embezzle, misappropriate social insurance funds or operate in violation of the regulations; fraudulently forge social insurance benefits through fraudulent or forgery proofs or other means; and social insurance service agencies violate the service agreement Or related regulations; refuses to assist the social insurance administrative department in the investigation and verification of accidents and problems;
4. Securities and futures are illegally punished with fines and no overdue payment; overdue entities of the listed company fail to perform their public commitments within the prescribed time limit;
5. The people's courts have taken measures to restrict consumption in accordance with relevant regulations, or have included the list of those who have been breached trustees according to law;
(6) Other Restricted Persons Recognized by the Relevant Departments Responsible persons who commit serious acts of dishonesty in a civil aircraft shall be clearly identified by modifying the document.
>Legal experts say virtually any party to a civil dispute in China involving a foreign national can ask local police to add their opponent’s name to a national database of exit bans that police check at every airport, railway station and other border crossing...
That is certainly not how things are in most Western countries.
Psychopaths with incentives. Like as you said, people normally don't kill others, even when heavily incentivised to do so. In this case, the laws provided perverse incentives, and in a country with so many people, it is not surprising that psychopaths are involved in traffic accidents every day.
Interpreting this as somehow about Chinese culture etc. seems to be over the top IMO. Sure that law is bad, but other than that, there is no news here.
I don't get why the part where Liu Zhijun had to be in jail. Fast trains are intrinsically a great thing for China. People don't just "realize" it's great because of Liu or anybody else. Your "then" logic is misleading. Liu got into jail because embezzlement and favors from project contractors, at least that was part of the story, aside political factions.
Sounds like the normal thing in China. Make something illegal, don't enforce it, if someone's saying something you don't like then enforce it specifically against them, keeps everyone else in line.
You guys really don't know how things work in China.
As a Chinese I don't give a damn about these new ridiculous rules since we always have ways to bypass them. And theses things changes very fast in this country.
We have laws, and the way them work are different than that in western countries.
Yea, I wrote that no country was as anywhere strict as China. However, quite a few countries had curfews which elicited fines and possible jail time (fines happened, but I don't think jail was used in practice). One example:
I'm not sure what the exact rule that was abused was, as I'm not familiar with Chinese law. I know that rule of law in China is not as strong as in many other countries, but I'm supposing that for small time stuff like this it's not too bad. I'm presuming that there is some element of the contract that she misrepresented herself on, such as an intent to travel clause or something of that nature. It may not be the case, but that would be an example of a legal theory under which her behavior would be fraudulent. The source article claims that she "... had repeatedly forged materials such as flight delay certificates, fabricated fictitious flight delays, ..." (Google translate output).
If you read this article, you will at least understand the reason why they introduce such law.
With 1.6 billion people, it's common to see chaos when a single person doesn't follow the rules, that woman in the news is a typical example. She didn't get any punishment from the railway company, nor the police can do anything about her behaviour, simply because there is no such law exists. In the end, she got suspended from her job as a primary teacher!
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