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You keep posting this source, but I am extremely skeptical, considering that since 2010, gun related homicides in the US has consistently ranged between 8000 and 13000 per year, where the number of people to die in automobile accidents in the US typically hovers between 30,000 to 40,000. Also, given that Business Insider is essentially a blog site at this point, I don't see how they arrived at those numbers.

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_Sta...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...



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A quick review of the wikipedia pages puts those two figures in the mid 30,000s per year. Perhaps the methodology is off but it doesn't seem like the gun figure could be off by an order of magnitude or more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_Sta... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...


FYI:

There were 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_Sta...

And there were 32,719 fatal car crashes http://www.statisticbrain.com/car-crash-fatality-statistics-... (ok, not serious source but I guess the real numbers are not too far away)


Only 3% of those gun deaths (less than 1,000 per year) are accidental.

I don't mean to downplay the real possibility of people dying from a gun related accident, but using the 30k figure without context is misleading.


From Wikipedia:

> According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms (excluding BB and pellet guns) were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) [2] and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000),[3] 21,175 by suicide with a firearm,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm,[4] and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent"[5] for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention).

So, 11,713 homicides and accidents in the US, not counting suicide. This week alone, gun will likely kill more Americans than the attack on Paris today.


15,000 people are murdered in USA every year with guns alone. Other violent weapons increase this number. A small number are murdered by vehicles. Most vehicle deaths are just accidents.

Many others die from opioid overdose and medical issues. Indeed, 2.8m people die yearly in USA.


60 fatal gun accidents per day? Way way off. It's measured in the low hundreds per year, not around 21,000 annual.

Cars however...30,000ish accidental per year. (USA numbers)


The article is specifically addressing the US's status as a significant outlier WRT gun homicide. The article addresses your point that homicide represents only a fraction of total gun deaths.

> The risk of death in a vehicle far exceeds that of gun violence.

Per the CDC:

* Motor vehicle traffic deaths: 33,804

* Firearm deaths: 33,736

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

> If you're talking about injuries perpetrated by a stranger, that disparity grows more yet.

I'm not sure where to find this data, but it seems likely to me that most motor vehicle deaths are self-inflicted (if not intentionally). Of course, because motor vehicle deaths are much more often due to accident than intention, I suspect strangers are more commonly involved (the person who shoots you has a good chance of being someone who knows and dislikes you).


Your facts are incorrect. In 2010, there were 31,672 gun fatalities in the U.S. Of those, 11,078 were homicides.

Just to put some rough numbers on it: - 393,000,000 firearms owned by US citizens

- 39,773 firearm related deaths (including suicide) as a decent base yearly rate [this is the actual 2017 number]

14,542 firearm homicides as a decent base yearly rate [again, actual 2017 number]


And now we accept 30,000 traffic deaths per year. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_motor_vehicl...

I was going to ask if we will eventually go numb and accept these numbers for gun deaths. But we're already there and beyond. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_S... Currently the nation is roused over hundreds of gun deaths per year.


And yet… there’s no vehicular homicide crime wave but 8/10 murders in the country involve a gun https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-da...

The US has about 16,000 gun deaths per year. (with a bunch more deaths by suicide). That's about 40 per day.

In 2013 CDC say: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_Sta...

> in 2013, firearms (excluding BB and pellet guns) were used in

> 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) [2] and

> 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000),[3]

> 21,175 by suicide with a firearm,[4]

> 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm,[4] and

> 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent"[5] for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention).

That would be about 90 per day. US police shoot and kill about 1,000 people per year, but weirdly they don't count so we don't have robust numbers.


There's also another dimension to this - reports tend to focus on gun related _death_ but ignores injuries where the victim survived.

This chart - http://assets.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/gun_gray.jpg - from http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/true-cost-of-gun... suggests the total number of gun related injuries + deaths in 2012 was ~120,000


Perhaps - automobile-related deaths outnumber gun-related deaths about 30:1.

US gun death statistics suggest otherwise.

The article's title is phrased in such a way that it implies gun deaths have increased to meet vehicular deaths. It's clickbait.

Suicides, homicides, and accidents all have different motives and circumstances. Further, suicides and homicides are often driven by mental illness, while accidemts are driven by not following precautions. They require different strategies to fix each problem, because they are three different problems.

Correlation between the existence of firearms and the presence of fireaems deaths is actually kind of obvious people cannot die of something that has not been invented yet. The real question is causality: Why do people get shot and killed? This is why the data in this article is useless--there is no control group. It does not show whether gun deaths are more frequent where firearms are legal, or more common where they have been outlawed. It merely shows that they exist.

Show me data that indicates--beyond a shadow of a doubt--that states with looser gun laws have more firearms homicides than states with stricter gun laws. Then you will have won.


16,000 homicides total (firearm or otherwise) in the US in 2011.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm


You seem to be right about that. Thanks.

Traffic fatalities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_i...

Gun fatalities: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

Suicides do appear to be about 2/3 of the gun fatalities.

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