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Manga site operators borne the risks, not the users. Also, private channels effectively reduce risks effectively to zero.

There are also non-monetary costs to pirating, which are mostly viruses and time. However, they don't generally count toward monetary price, but they are cost nonetheless.

That being said, most people don't get caught anyway. So the risk is effectively zero.



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The risk of being fined makes the cost of piracy non zero.

True maybe more subtle elsewhere, But the risks of piracy is not zero anywhere.

they are risking "huge" penaties not because the value of music is zero, but because the chance of getting caught is next to zero.

risk = penalty * chance of getting caught

If there is a no risk way of getting something which otherwise has to cost you money, you'd do it. Hence piracy.


To play the devil's advocate:

On the other one can argue that people pirating does not improve their economics either so why risk it ?


but in this case there are bandwidth/server costs involved with the pirates using the app.

>Pirates, by copying and distributing their music for them, are actually adding value to their art.

Except where they don't add value by pirating something they otherwise would have paid for if it wasn't easily available to pirate with hardly any downside risk.


That's not much of a factor. Piracy is only a risk in 3 regions right now, and even there the risk is low.

A pirate didn't steal content, though. Nobody lost any content! There was no transaction involved. Piracy isn't zero-sum.

Yes, because the potential damage is much more severe. If someone pirates a movie, the damage is about the price of a movie ticket. If someone's private data gets stolen, it can ruin their entire life.

On the other hand, not consuming the content vs pirating it doesn't change the outcome for the creator - if anything, piracy is slightly better as it still keeps the content relevant in the collective mindshare so that others who don't pirate (either due to moral or technical reasons) might buy said content.

It's also a liability magnet. The MAFIAA already wants to nuke free-for-all pirating, but if you make money off that? Easier to find, and prosecute.

Here is simple no abstract argument:

Pirates don't deprive distributors or content producers of anything. No harm has been done.


>And how is this economically different from piracy, which mostly goes unprotected?

That this is not even illegal at all.

And piracy in business settings is much more seriously and effectively prosecuted. Pirating at an enterprise is nothing like the free-for-all of pirating music or movies at home.


In some cases, pirate sites do have a cost to be able to fund operations and maintain quality, but one way or another, the customer pays something to someone (even if it's just access to internet via their ISP) and receives a product. So yes.

But there are also vulnerable to piracy.

So are you saying that if people didn't pirate stuff the viruses would not have spread? Presumably because they would not be using floppies as much?

Piracy is not paying for it. A qualitative difference, really.

There is a rule in piracy that you shouldn’t sell access to pirated content. It should be free as in freedom. Selling content is more damaging to the rights holders than mere torrents or cyberlocker content IMHO. I mean offering it for free is still damaging, but profiteering rackets are usually frowned upon in the piracy community

Ok, here goes (from my perspective, obviously):

1) If the costs of distribution are high enough that rights holders will not make a profit, they may cease distribution to avoid the loss. This is fine and fair and good.

2) Distribution by others at that point by definition represents no loss to the rights holder, so long as there is no marginal cost to the rights holder. For example, an online game may represent a continuing marginal cost to the rights holder if they are still running servers, but pirating a movie represents zero marginal cost.

3) Therefore, it is not immoral to pirate a work where the rights holder has made it impossible to obtain the film through legal, profit generating channels.

------- LINE OF MORAL AMBIGUITY -------

4) Where a rights holder makes it unreasonably difficult to obtain a work, either through price, geographical distribution or unnecessary technical encumberment, one may cease to be a potential profit generating customer of the rights holder.

5) Therefore, pirating (again with 0 marginal cost to the rights holder) is not immoral, as the rights holder is not losing potential profit as a result.

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