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Careful, though. Plain human bureaucracy can be just as bad - and often harder to debug :)


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Ha, yeah, bureaucracy sucks!

Doing the same tasks as humans is one thing, reverse engineering an understanding of human bureaucracy is something else entirely.

I agree that is bad, but what about a bureaucracy where everything is so convoluted that you can never get any idea off the ground?

Welcome to Bureaucracy.

And if you see bureaucracy as software, it's full of bugs and processes that work around those bugs.

Real-life bureaucracy?

Jeez, what a bureaucratic nightmare this sounds

But bureaucracy is filled with stupid policies, and was filled for centuries. Stupid policies have to expected, frankly. But unlike commercial companies, people don't have anyone else to turn to. That's why, in a special case of a government machine — which is (1) without alternative and (2) error prone — the human sanity check should always be present.

This is the why people who have experience bureaucracy have learned to hate it. It makes even the simplest thing impossible. The more useless people you add to anything, the harder it becomes.

I think you're right. Bureaucracy has become a term of abuse so we tend not to realise that the good stuff can also be bureaucratic (code reviews being an example that springs to mind).

So...bureaucracy.

Automated bureaucracy without a means for recourse is nightmare fuel.

I get that, but it's hardly a horrible bureaucracy. I did web dev for years and there are lots of trade-offs there too.

It’s not like human bureaucracies are any better. Most of the time they act like brick walls, it’s similar reasons.

> bureaucracy with politics

So much this. It gets so bad that at some of these places, there are folks whose real value seems to be in "knowing the right people" in the org to who get certain things done rather than any real technical/managerial skills.


Bureaucracy is a matter of habit.

If it's new to you it's almost always nightmarish.


Don't make the mistake of thinking we shouldn't demand that bureaucratic systems follow logical rules just because they're run by human beings.

bureaucracy strikes again!

To me, it definitely is.

I find that the crippling bureaucracy usually starts when you start referring to your programmers, that did the actual work, as resources.

Programmers are not trade-able and people are not sheep.

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