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> Buy some land and build a collaborative space

So, a ghost town?



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Which makes it tempting to spend some money buying a few acres of land somewhere and hold it for a few decades in the hopes that a city will rebuild itself nearby.

I guess people are already doing this?


Basically, build in vacant lots.

Master-planned communities often don’t work out even with a strong government building them (ex. Chinese ghost cities). This proposal from a private investment group to create one is faintly ridiculous.

It needs so much work that you are better off buying land and building your own ghost town.

So there is not enough land for all? Have you considered building a new town and you couldn't find land?

There's a 600 acre plot of relatively cheap land near me that I 2/3rds joking suggest me and friends should go in on together and start a hi tech commune. So far plenty of interest but no commitments. :(

There's a "I drank your milkshake" situation with this. Find the area with people willing to sell out, and build there.

I don't know the consequences of doing this but I think if no one wants to rent the space at any price then giving up the property seems feasible. The investment went bad. Unused land should go back to the community and be repurposed.

Could reuse the land though.

I imagine that built for purpose would be cost competitive with remodeling and adapting aging buildings anyway.


I just bought approximately 70 empty parcels in a small town in Arkansas. If the city will allow them, I'd love to put a few there.

To me that is the main obstacle. Not land, not money, it's zoning.


I moved to a small town and I bought a lot of land because I am trying to become a YouTube and own a lot of machines and post lots of projects.

I can't get the land in city at affordable price.


Eh. So basically create an an arcology somewhere that doesn't really have a current population--like in a desert somewhere--for pretty much people who can work remotely. Sounds like a big bet and doesn't sound especially attractive as a potential resident in a planned community.

> Building is kind of.. the whole point.

Land development is not limited to "build anywhere you can". Purchases of land for later resale, when armed with knowledge about likely events, is a common strategy. In cities, you often have to deal with municipal pressures to do more. Parking lots filled empty plots in southern california 1980s and since 2015ish the number of Car Washes in Fargo, ND has grown to 80... a cash business with minimal overhead and a flimsy construction, which does not have to cover the entirety of the plot.

> Saying "just buy land bro, making money is ez" seems like a very TikTok Investor kind of take

Just like interest on large amounts of liquidity, land ownership generates a meaningful passive income, over time. There's nothing trivial about it...unless you buy wasteland in Arizona (which many people hold).


Just a train of thought because that's what I'm doing:

Why not trying to buy your own land and build a small community around it?

Might be much more fulfilling with very little money required.

I live in Germany and everything just costs money but if you are in the USA, there are plenty of very cheap areas were you can easily life self sustainable?


Maybe San Jose should find a buyer for the land and have them facilitate its development. If the project is viable, someone will be interested.

That would probably require demolishing or substantially remodelling existing buildings. At which point it's probably cheaper to build on an empty lot.

These emptying office parks presents an opportunity. Certainly the larger ones contain infrastructure that can be repurposed, and the asking prices is decreasing. In the next downturn, the cost of purchasing a park will go down even more.

Perhaps the larger parks can be repurposed into something akin to a village. Reformat the buildings into something more traditional, apartments on the upper floors, offices and stores in the bottom, etc. Add more buildings to create more continuity. Let people be creative, let the fabric emerge.

Now in any given area, each of these potential villages is quite isolated from another. Still, pedestrian connections can be forged and inter-village transportation arranged.

Over time, we can heal this anomaly.


I think it could be done, but you would need to have a lot of pieces come together the right way.

For instance: having a partnership with a University and/or several employers that want to setup a new campus, a large enough number of people willing to move, adequate funding to buy several square miles of wilderness and install some initial roads and infrastructure, a favorable local government that's on-board with the plan and doesn't want to throw up administrative roadblocks, a neighboring pre-existing community that can help bootstrap the infrastructure that doesn't mind another town moving in next door, and someone willing to run the whole thing as a non-profit rather than a money-making endeavor.

The upside if it attains critical mass is that the profit on the sale of buildable lots could finance a lot of the necessary infrastructure.


Sometimes it's not even the land, but a permission to build something sufficiently large on it.

Perverse tax incentives may also prevent development of perfectly good, prized land: https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2019/3/5/whats-with-that...

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