This is interesting. Voicing an unpopular opinion is not "agreeable", but if you can't ever act on your truth, you may as well not have ever had it.
My comment, in the context of yours, comes across as childishly excusing/justifying antisocial behaviour. I'm not sure what to thinkn= of that. But I just meant that tendencies tend to transfer.
This might be an aspect of the same problem that DARE had. If you castigate some act but at the same time speak in a way that says that act is common then the effect of making it seem normal will tend to trump the disapproval.
Let's be honest, the people who disagree with your comment are worried that eventually someone will out them for their terrible behavior as well! It's shocking to me how unaccustomed to being held accountable some people are.
Here's a radical supposition: it's actually good when speech has consequences in society.
The problem comes when people express their ideas intemperately, either by making extreme statements that should be more qualified and tentative, or by being uncivil to one another.
I hit plenty of opposition here when writing in favor of more qualified and tentative statements in precisely this context. Perhaps now your cult of personality will come around to my/our/your point of view! ;)
It's opinions like this that hold us back from progressing socially - the idea that understanding the motives of a nemesis is functionally the same as justifying them.
right, i guess we'll agree to disagree then. i recognize that i can't control how people react to what other people might act or say, and i don't consider that a problem.
so are we in agreement that: whether or not you consider that a problem or not(and you snapped and needed a psychiatrist), that's _your_ problem?
The next time you see someone romanticizing the aesthetics of some antisocial behavior that you find repulsive, then you'll know how it feels to be on the other side of this discussion.
I would politely disagree, I think there's a fine road between both of what you are saying here. Oftentimes people do project outward their hate because they hate it in themselves -- we are creatures with much logical momentum unfortunately, and many conflicts can arise when people try to paper over their own biases and *isms. It's not psychobabble, it's a phenomenon that has been very well demonstrated and is commonly accepted today as a part of an evidence-based practice for trauma resolution. Some of the examples you brought up were fallacious, though I unfortunately don't have any good resources to point you to.
As far as the first point, I could see it going either way. I know where many people came from in their early years, and it is actually the fuel that helps me give them respect when they act in inappropriate manners considering the situation at hand -- I can recontextualize and see where they are coming from. It gives me empathy, an ability to connect to them, and an ability to fundamentally feel safe enough to better love them.
No, i don't think so. But, dictionary definition, popular opinion, respectable / appreciated opinions. I can identify the impossiblity of objectivity inherent in the question, but doing so is dismissive. Sometimes sure, people are immature, unreasonable, careless.
I can't understand the mentality that acts with malice to others out of what comes from hatred of the self. Your statement does not imply the this but it suggests it.
The philosophy of self acceptance is pure torture, but it would be less so if thought - obvious effort - was itself valued. It being non obvious affects some, not others. Someone said preaching is moral violence, once.
A puzzle with no solution, or identification of solutions yield, possibly, equivalent problems. Tautological to suggest the solution can not be identified by the observer, but, provably incomplete, yet, believed to be the standard to measure against.
That's what I mean: he apparently had issues with containing own instincts. And by saying "I am afraid I won't be able to contain myself" you actually state more-or-less the same — that you're aggressive and prone to act aggressively against your own better judgement.
Yeah, sure, people like him that should be shunned, and preferably prosecuted. But, actually, one of the reasons they feel free to do things like that is the culture of domination that's not really hurt in any way by people making violent remarks about them.
"if you annoy somebody enough that he and a dozen friends make false anonymous reports to get you kicked out"
There's all kinds of reasons that might happen that aren't your fault. In the past, maybe having the wrong skin color might have done it. In the present, I'm sure you can think of some ways to be unpopular that aren't a good reason to get kicked out.
It seems to me that not a lot of thought and introspection was put into that comment, because I highly doubt you have that same benign attitude towards everyone. I'm sure there are plenty of stories about what people think/say/do that make you take a different position. For example, just today I read a story about a man who murdered his wife - with the son in between, and he pushed the knife through the boy to hurt the wife. But the problems were there long before, and such people exist aplenty. It's easy to be satisfied with everybody and their choices only for as long as you don't get to know them all too closely...
I doubt there is a single person that really benevolently accepts what each and every person does/says/thinks. Except maybe my late grandmother, who probably never raged about anyone in her entire life.
I don't particularly like how it has become a normal occurrence for people to try and ruin the lives of others simply because they have a different opinion.
I'd make the case your viewpoint is symptomatic of the power of bad ideas. In this case, specifically accepting the idea that individuals do not have responsibility for their own actions or for how they relate to the people around them.
you're leveling a claim i might agree with, but i don't think you're doing so in an appropriate way (as in, if everybody behaved this way when similar feelings arose, we'd have a real shit community)
if you have a problem with the statement, can you address where it's inaccurate? or can you be more explicit with your own assertion in order that the rest of us can address where your inaccuracies are.
It's not a hard thing to figure out, honestly.
I'll vigorously defend your right to express your opinion. That doesn't mean I have to agree with you and I may disagree loudly.
Aggressive social conformism is just everyone disagreeing with you, loudly. It's the kind of thing we should be doing to racists, etc.
This "impersonal" approach to also works in the other direction. Someone who said something objectively bad once doesn't have to be a "known bad person" forever.
I think people are compelled to act certain ways in certain environments. I wouldn't say the same things to my family as I would to my friends and vice-versa. If you're in a cesspool, you're not afraid to throw shit because everyone's already subsumed in it.
My comment, in the context of yours, comes across as childishly excusing/justifying antisocial behaviour. I'm not sure what to thinkn= of that. But I just meant that tendencies tend to transfer.
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