>And besides subscriptions, version 7 will only sync using their back-end, which is not acceptable for me.
What. I'm using 1Password 7 with a standalone license. I installed the beta, paid the $40 it cost for a license, and it works fine with iCloud and Dropbox same as always, I moved right from 1Password 4 and the only change I did was to purposefully force a resync so that all shared keychains would be updated from the ancient format to the newer one (if you were on 1P6 that wouldn't be necessary).
I'm not a fan of their subscription efforts because I think it's actively subtracted from what they could have done for the standalone version, and I don't think they've been fully honest about it which absolutely rankles. They talk big about benefits but they don't actually acknowledge costs or the profit motive. Even so there is a really oddly high load of objectively, trivially disproved FUD swirling around these HN articles about them now and I don't fully understand why.
>to forcing people to migrate to their cloud only infrastructure ... fully SaaS
A slight gentle correction. I criticize them elsewhere in this thread, but in fairness I have to point out that this isn't quite correct yet. It's still possible (though they've buried it) to buy a standalone perpetual license for the latest 1Password, run purely local vaults, or keep syncing via Dropbox, iCloud, or manually over WLAN. There isn't any hard tie to the 1Password.com service yet.
Perhaps they'll put the kibosh on that in the future. And they can be and I will criticize them for not having better local sync options, which they clearly stopped bothering with in favor of their own cloud offering. But for the time being I've still got a fully local 1Password 7 license that works the same as every previous version.
> and I haven’t been able to upgrade to any of the newer releases
Why not, i use iCloud to store my 1Password data, and i still use the latest macOS 1Password version (7 i believe).
It's a standalone app without a subscription (i would never pay for a subscription just because they tacked on a cloud service I don't need, to justify the subscription model...)
> While it’s (still) possible to obtain the standalone versions, it’s difficult to find them. And I expect that in a few years, they’ll be gone completely
They mentioned somewhere on their site (I don't remember exactly where...it might have been in an answer to a question on the forums) that one of the points of 1Password 7 is to bring the standalone versions up to parity with the subscription version.
Right now, standalone and subscription are essentially different products, with all new feature work going into the subscription product. With 1Password 7, they become essentially one product with different licensing options.
It sure didn't sound like they plan to get rid of standalone.
> 1. Setup to sync via icloud was very straightforward and 100% fine for "non-tech saavy"
As someone who did support for 1Password years ago, this is patently false. It was "fine" for tech savvy users, for everyone else it was a big opportunity for problems.
New "issues" came about from the switch to a hosted solution, but data syncing issues, mostly, disappeared.
Also, to confirm the other commenters, your password is never sent to 1Password in any situation where syncing is involved, whether it be Dropbox/iCloud or the hosted solution. And with the hosted solution your account key is also never sent to 1Password. This is also well documented in their Security White Paper.
> Adding to this, they've also left showstopping sync bugs in the standalone version, and the customer support team uses this as a reason to push people to switch to the subscription service.
Woah, really? Would you mind linking some threads for the benefit of everyone else skimming through this?
(I'm still on 1Password 6, and the experience is mostly smooth-sailing except for browser extensions.)
> it's not unreasonable to expect it to work for some period of time after the purchase.
"it works" and "the developer gives me support" are two different things. In this case, I'm sure the shareware he wrote still "worked," but clearly they thought they were entitled to perpetual updates or the ability to chat to the developer any time they like.
As far as I'm concerned, the SLA of $10 shareware I volunteered to pay for is "whatever the developer is willing and able to provide." It's $10. ¯\_(?)_/¯
Fwiw, 1Password isn't nuking 1P7 or existing local vaults. Those users are free to keep using v7 for as long as Apple or Microsoft allow the app to be installed on the OS. (And I do agree, macOS and iOS are both quite abrupt about cutting off support and I commend Windows for going to great lengths to avoid it)
> For most people here, using a third-party sync service is probably more convenient than avoiding whatever mass-market-cloud-thing 1password is trying to move everyone to.
Using 1Password's service is actually far more convenient. It Just Works™, whereas other solutions like Dropbox are prone to creating conflicts.
TBH I don't know why anyone who was using a third-party sync service like Dropbox would dislike the 1Password sync service (beyond the fact that it's subscription pricing instead of a one-time license fee). It's only the small subset of users who used Wi-Fi sync that seem to have a legitimate complaint here.
> this article just knocked 1p off my list of candidates
Why? Unless you were planning on using Wi-Fi sync, then you shouldn't have a complaint. Tim Bray makes a lot of noise about web sites being insecure, but you don't need to use the web interface for 1Password (well, until today you needed to use it to create new vaults, but 1Password 6.8 can now create cloud vaults directly in the app). And his comment about if you use Dropbox all they have are the encrypted password file applies just as well to AgileBits, because you need the combination of your secret key + account password to decrypt anything, and at least the secret key (and maybe the account password too, not sure) is never sent to AgileBits.
If you're interested, they also have a white paper on their security, which you can find linked at the bottom of https://1password.com/security/.
>But we’re looking at moving to something like BitWarden because it has true SSO support, while 1Password doesn’t.
That is what I am curious about, too: starting the the v8 of 1Password I just can't justify paying premium for 1Password anymore as a mac user who has a family account. Both have Electron clients and cloud-only vaults, but Bitwarden subscription is 40USD/yr., and 1Password charges 60USD/yr.
In my opinion 1PW just lost any advantage it had, at least for non-business users.
My comment was a response to '1Password is making it so you can never buy a standalone version again'. This isn't true. It is true that they try to steer people into a subscription. But if they wanted to kill the standalone version, they would have. You can download the 1Password 7 beta right now and pay for it once.
>1Password’s desktop app is much worse than it use to be all while each platforms built in capabilities are getting better.
I keep reading this but as a user of 1Password over the past decade or so, the functionality hasn't changed much. I'm confused as to what they're spending all the VC money on because these re-writes haven't done much but in terms of functionality, I think it's best in class.
> I used 1password for about ten years. Every interaction I had with the developers was pretty hostile. Even if they encouraged self-hosting and version-based upgrading instead of a SaaS, I'd still stick with a competitor. At this point I'm irrationally bothered by the fact that it's a 100+ staff company just to make a product that's no better than it was when they had 10 staff and is now more expensive.
I have no idea why you're being downvoted for expressing your experience and opinions. So I will just add another data point to corroborate your experience and (probably) be downvoted together.
I've also been a long time user who paid for every upgrade, and every issue I had with them I received a hostile response or a completely dismissive one. Not sure which is worse.
This made me jump ship last year and now I'm a happy bitwarden user.
No, it's not perfect as you can see in others comments around here but at least I don't have the constant nag that their values are misaligned with mine: forcing a subscription model down my throat at almost 4x the amount of money that bitwarden asks with fading support for standalone licenses and local vaults.
> When I asked 1Password about it, their response was that the functionality wouldn't be coming back in 7 because it wasn't a supported configuration -- it's called 1Password so users should only ever be remembering one password!
What functionality has gone from 7 and isn't coming back? Multiple vaults with distinct master passwords and not requiring their cloud backing?
> They made the standalone license almost impossible to find and get, forced a subscription on users, and made the password vault storage online for the subscriptions.
1Password recently raised $100 million at a $2 billion valuation.
Looks like they're going down the Dropbox path. Shame as 1Password used to be one of my favorite apps.
> I still felt its sluggish performance on launch/search/sync was slowing me down a lot throughout the day.
I recently switched (maybe 5 weeks or so, ago, from 1Password to Bitwarden, after finding out about it on HN) I imported ~400 odd logins from 1Password, I honestly don't find it any slower than 1 Password.
I did notice that with Discord, both 1Password and Bitwarden now integrate with the new iOS password apis.
> I discovered that every time you click "export" in lastpass, the export accumulates a copy of the vault. My second export had 2x of everything in it, 3x for third, etc.
WTF
> I see the features in 1Password and I almost cannot forgive myself for holding onto Lastpass for such a long time.
The export process was the thing that mainly held me.
There was also an issue where 1Password would not work properly with a Work Profile on Android if you ALSO had a non-work-profile version of the app, which translated to "if you use 1password at work and in your personal life and you have a Work Profile, you cannot use 1password inside the work profile (it must be outside)"
In the end, this is just a bag of passwords, so as long as it's keeping things safe, it should be acceptable.
It didn't.
And it also doubled the price without giving any software improvement over the years, which is very bad.
> 1Password got famous for building a great core product. It managed my logins I stored myself and autofilled them wherever I needed. It was clean and simple. Now they are so focused on growth and Product features like this that they have completely lost their way.
The issue is, the "core product" has been Sherlocked - i.e. is now an included feature on many operating systems and browsers. Apple's iCloud password manager is available on all Apple platforms plus on Windows. Android/Chrome and Windows are improving their in-built password managers as well.
So 1Password, as a business, has to pivot to selling to businesses, which is where they expect most of their revenue to come from. This has resulted in individual customers being sidelined, so perhaps you should switch to one of the free inbuilt alternatives.
What. I'm using 1Password 7 with a standalone license. I installed the beta, paid the $40 it cost for a license, and it works fine with iCloud and Dropbox same as always, I moved right from 1Password 4 and the only change I did was to purposefully force a resync so that all shared keychains would be updated from the ancient format to the newer one (if you were on 1P6 that wouldn't be necessary).
I'm not a fan of their subscription efforts because I think it's actively subtracted from what they could have done for the standalone version, and I don't think they've been fully honest about it which absolutely rankles. They talk big about benefits but they don't actually acknowledge costs or the profit motive. Even so there is a really oddly high load of objectively, trivially disproved FUD swirling around these HN articles about them now and I don't fully understand why.
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