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If I'm wrong, I'd like an example of something that justifies the hype


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Oh, I'm not denying that some hype was justified. Even a very big hype.

Just not as big a hype (and of the wrong type!) as we saw.


For sure. The argument that there was hype about something in the past, therefore any hype is unwarranted is not a logical conclusion.

hype is usually not the greatest source of accurate information.

There's a wide difference between hyping something you believe has value, and hyping something you _know_ doesn't.

Setting aside the irony of demanding an argument considering the, uh, brevity of your post I was responding to, you've still missed my point. Attention disproportionate to substance is hype by definition and hype for new (or "new") things is not remotely uncommon, so shouldn't be puzzling. See: the Hype cycle, etc.

It's ok to dislike the hype but it's disingenuous to say it only gets one thing right.

Judge it by its merits.

If the object of hype adds useful novelty, the interest could be justified. If, as it's often the case, it is not quite known - it's a question to figure out.

Granted, intuition is worth something, but it's still not a certainty, so somebody having a different opinion still could see something useful here.


I find the opposite often to be true, if something's hyped up I often find that I'm primed to be disappointed.

Fair enough, but I fear that most of the time hype comes from people who fear missing the latest boat, or who think it'll help them if they say stuff like XX is cool (a misplaced positive attitude always helps more, than misplaced criticism)

With mass globalization of the hype, we have countless examples of hype - even for programming - around things that aren't especially good.

Marketing people know that pretty well.


The guy uses contradictory examples to share his opinion. The second one, TDD, someone could do the same saying that it was hype. And then some maniacs will come to say it was not hype.

It isn't. There's a fundamental difference between hype around something useful and hype around something that isn't useful.

Nice article about not following the hype. Being contrarian, it is not likely to get very many likes (everyone is so protective of their hype). Does not make it wrong.

Why be so needlessly positive and generate unworthy hype?

We need criticisms that call bullshit on undeserving praise.


What you said is not criticism, it's just an insult. It adds nothing to the conversation and lowers the level of discourse.

I'm not celebrating anything. I'm a skeptic at heart and don't believe in any hype until I see meaningful progress. I just don't see the need to shit all over something because my gut tells me it's hype.


Honestly, part of why I come here is for instant debunking of hype. So I appreciated it.

There is a sort of hype that is natural -- it's what people do when they get very, very excited about a thing. That hype is no less problematic, though.

You’re over-fitting. Hype maximizers will hype everything, fundamentally useful or not. They are not a discriminating signal for whether or not something is useful.

"hype"? Your bar for exaggeration is quite a bit lower than mine, which is impressive in and of itself. I thought we are just looking at it, constructively critiquing it, and supporting the effort, discovering any possible innovative or unique aspects, and informing people. But I guess some might see hype there instead.

Good points, I agree my complaint about the hype was rather misguided.
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