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ethos (????), according to OED, means "the characteristic spirit of a culture, era, or community as manifested in its beliefs and aspirations"

You don't call your own belief the ethos or ethical standard of a community if it is not shared by any one other than you.



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My personal culture that I adhere to.

That said, I mentioned stigma, I didn't say anything about culture - and I'm not sure why it is at all relevant to my point.


what's your definition of culture?

I ask this to everyone else too


Actually, the point is that lots of cultures are collective-oriented, while we as a culture like to favor individualism (even though we are extremely collective in our own ways.)

This is called "cultural bias"; it means that, should a student from another culture come into our schools, they should not feel wrong for being raised in an environment that doesn't promote individualism. Stuff like, "Don't be a sheep!" and, "You are your own person. Don't let anyone take that away from you!" can make them feel out of place and other'ed. Notice how the part you quoted says "as opposed to a more collective ideology." That means they want to get rid of pinning individualism against collectivism; they don't want to get rid of individualism.

I'm not sure what the rest of your comment means, though. Even if that specific phrase is a problem, the rest of the document is all great stuff.


> It might be cultural,

Or it might be personal.


> Culture is defined by people, not some sacred thing that needs to be preserved.

Are these two mutually exclusive?


It sounds like he’s talking more about individual values, including the culture you subscribe to, although I still see many potential issues with that.

Culture, history, belief in a common set of values or traditions - Tradition.

People ought to have a vested interest in the place they work, and live. I know of no better way to do that than citizenship.


Mainstream cultural mores as reflected in media is not the same as the values of everyone in a society.

What exactly do you think 'culture' means?

Culture and shared values are not "individual" matters; they tend to affect society as a whole, or at least non-trivial fractions of it. But they are 'institutions' only in the broadest possible sense, and ones that seldom get acknowledged as such.

There is no definition of culture which matches what you have just said.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture

What you are therefore saying is that you as an individual can't think about culture in a way that isn't stereotyping of personal and group behavior.

Despite this not actually being what culture means, you are not alone in thinking this way.


OP here. You're absolutely right. Thank you. I'm reworking the essay.

As I wrote in my top-level comment, what I really want to talk about is

> Is there a canonical parametrization of all social groups that describes their culture?

And not anything related to religion per se.


The thing I've always found fascinating is that this cultural ethos is in direct tension with social organization.

Despite this narrative arc of the primacy of individuality we still (quite predictably) shun people who manage to actually achieve it and generally celebrate homogeny among our cohort.

I couldn't enumerate the negative effects this inherent contradiction may have produced, but it seems unlikely to be a list of zero length.


ie, Culture.

No such thing - To the kind of people you just replied to, a cultural identity and homogenous, well educated society means nothing.

i suppose that there is no correct answer to this, but i believe that if there are people who mutually identify in a particular way and share practices and beliefs then it can be said that they belong to a culture

Anthropologists define culture as a set of learned behaviors, beliefs, values, customs, and artifacts that are shared by members of a particular group or society.

And what's your definition of 'culture'?

I'm saying there exist, in some communities, cultural norms that we treat ideas we disagree with with respect. We interpret them charitably. We don't make personal attacks on those who hold them. We assume good faith.

If you understand why someone might defend those cultural norms on Hacker News, then perhaps you can understand why someone would defend those same norms in, say, academia, or journalism, or publishing, or the arts.

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