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When I read it, I assumed it would be private messages. If that's true, then it might be a bit like harassment, but not public shaming.


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Public shaming using false allegations of stalking and harassment.

Just a point - let's not call 'shaming' what might be 'harassment' or worse.

Shaming someone attempts to make them feel bad about their actions. Attempting to get someone fired, and spamming them with threats is not shaming...


There are many things which aren't death threats or physical altercations which are harassment.

I would certainly feel uncomfortable receiving those messages in the situation as described in the article.


There's also harassment, which can be textual.

I don't think harassment via private messages counts as public discourse

I disagree. Public shaming is the right way to make harassers actually fear the consequences (to their career, for example).

It seems like that would be cyber harassment and attacking someone.

Do you have a link? People are not necessarily anonymous on SO, so harassment could be real.

Isn't this basically harassment?

A single message is not harassment though.

I would suspect a lot of the harassment/threats was through things like e-mail, etc. Given the wide range of emotions this has prompted all over the place, I can find it believable that some people might send what could be construed as threatening messages, especially anonymously.

Apologies, I should have checked that claim rather than repeating what other people had said. The actual wording is that "Harassment includes... harassing photography or recording". That's somewhat less clear, though the warning about public shaming is still relevant.

Off-topic, but on that point, the full body of communications referenced in that case is publicly available online, and I invite readers to decide for themselves.

> If that's not a form of harassment, I don't know what is.

You may be right about that. By the way, Twitter has a 'block' function for dealing with 'mentions', as far as I am aware.


> Shaming and shunning can easily be considered harassment in the right context

Shunning is never harassment. Shaming could be, but not on its own -- it would probably have to be either extraordinarily sustained/egregious and/or paired with credible threats to person or property.

Even emergent behavior that has the same effect as blatant harassment isn't harassment. I.e., sending one person 10K letters, some of which contain (even unspecific) threats, is CERTAINLY harassment. But if 10K people each send one letter, there are probably zero instances of harassment unless one of the letters is seriously egregious (e.g., contains specific and credible threats). And even then, the other 99,999 letters aren't instances of harassment.

Organized behavior might be. It depends on the amount of coordination. But probably the case is too difficult to take on.


I guess the reports in English usually refer to the "human flesh search engine":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_flesh_search_engine

From the description, this might encompass phenomena that we would call both coordinated harassment and public shaming, and maybe the original article by Megan McArdle also means to encompass both, though it seems to have more focus on public shaming.


You are assuming that harassment was direct, sending messages to the accusers. My impression is that this was a group chatting privately about the accusers either making fun of them or coordinating actions.

While this can be done through other channels (in person or private cellphone) allowing it on corporate infrastructure without monitoring is not acceptable.


"My first thought was that this was the kind of harassment that is, unfortunately, pretty par for the course for marginalized people on the internet."

'No'


Considering that some judgement could come it a form of community shunning or harassment, I would be worried in these case.

Apparently it was but that doesn't justify the harassment described in the article. Hate mail and stuff like that. I guess people got too emotional and both parties ended up with a bad taste in their mouths.
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