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dionidium · 2018-08-30 18:43:16+00:00

Yes, I know. They aren't going to change that position voluntarily. I strongly suspect that state intervention is inevitable.

toomuchtodo | karma 88050 | avg karma 2.82 · | 2018-09-11 15:05:01

Agree, it's going to require regime change.

devoply | karma 1241 | avg karma 0.74 · | 2019-07-14 16:58:02+00:00

I am sure they are due for a regime change for oppressing their people at some point in the future.

iamdave | karma 5253 | avg karma 2.37 · | 2016-12-15 18:24:03+00:00

Aren't you assuming the implied change of power mentioned in the parent comment will come at the hands of a rational actor/state? That seems fraught with hindsight, no?

staticman2 | karma 1521 | avg karma 1.31 · | 2022-07-27 16:00:46

I assume they won't change it because they are afraid of what the other side will do when they are in power.

madaxe_again | karma 10372 | avg karma 3.05 · | 2014-07-11 08:20:00

To me, this reads like they're declaring their own ability to carry out acts of war in sovereign states at will, as their only recourse will be force.

Arn_Thor | karma 1147 | avg karma 2.39 · | 2024-01-20 07:24:10

Ah. But that is expecting action from a reigning government that has proven itself unable to do literally anything forward-thinking. It’s regression all over.

Latteland | karma 1100 | avg karma 1.22 · | 2018-04-09 02:16:14+00:00

The people don't have a choice, and the leaders want to maintain control. if they maintain control, and growth continues for a while, I think they are okay with it.

leeoniya | karma 9211 | avg karma 3.5 · | 2012-06-15 14:26:41+00:00

sounds like they're taking all measures so their people can't organize an uprising and overthrow the government.

admiralspoo | karma 1757 | avg karma 7.57 · | 2021-01-12 23:58:23+00:00

The incoming regime will push for it, no doubt.

Shivetya | karma 14380 | avg karma 2.55 · | 2019-04-18 10:19:12

Do you seriously believe they don't bend to political pressure nor operate under their own political leanings when making such decisions?

number_man | karma 29 | avg karma 2.42 · | 2024-03-14 06:43:23

They are definitely aligned with the desire of autocracies. They may not realize it, but doesn't mean it's not the case.

sigzero | karma 4147 | avg karma 1.62 · | 2021-09-15 15:07:51

Yeah, I don't doubt someone is going to try "regime change" there.

sigzero | karma 4147 | avg karma 1.62 · | 2023-04-03 11:08:02

It will not "end" any government involvement. That's just the spin.

betwixthewires | karma 4417 | avg karma 2.03 · | 2021-06-13 00:22:01

Well, you have to make an assumption either way. I'd say it's more likely they'll do what they've done in the past than not, particularly where the status quo of power structures is threatened.

not_kurt_godel | karma 1287 | avg karma 2.65 · | 2019-01-16 21:06:16

Demoralization and destabilization are their goals with respect to meddling though. See my rather long reply to parent in this thread.

gadders | karma 9202 | avg karma 1.52 · | 2022-11-23 05:54:25

I don't think it's a conspiracy but I don't think there is a plan to implement their aims without democratic oversight.

xeromal | karma 6583 | avg karma 2.12 · | 2023-10-10 10:35:08

My gut instinct is that this is a nation-state initiated.

dougmwne | karma 13708 | avg karma 5.33 · | 2022-04-15 16:25:59

As near I can tell it is an arbitrary decision of an authoritarian government that is too deep into sunk cost to reverse course.

jasonlotito | karma 7861 | avg karma 1.69 · | 2023-10-09 13:50:26

> Attempts to change/form their views to be favourable towards dictatorships and antagonistic to democracies.

If that's the claim, the reality is they are doing the opposite.

You need to provide proof, not speculation.

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