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Ok, that is strange. There is, it seems, more than one political axis.

Nowadays, the authoritarian/anti-authoritarian axis is the most important one.



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Yeah this is more on the other axis. Authoritarianism doesn’t care about left or right.

Centralization, control and censorship are on the authoritarian–liberal axis of the standard two-dimensional political compass, not on the left–right axis.

You're just redescribing the horseshoe theory. The X axis is political leaning, the Y axis is level of authoritarianism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory


You're right that two axes are not enough. Even within the two-dimensional model, authoritarian leftists regard authoritarianism as a means to an end (Marxism-Leninism endorses the eventual withering away of the state, even if it never got around to practicing it), whereas the authoritarian right regards authoritarianism as good in and of itself (the leadership principle).

IMO boiling down the complexity of politics to a single axis is deceptive. Sure it makes it easy to find yourself on the map, but it really lends itself to a narrative of "ok here's US on the map. Over there is THEM."

IMO authoritarianism is totally orthogonal to right/left. It's clearly the case that members of both espouse changes that would limit our freedoms.


True. Or left-wing, depending on who is downvoting. It's the one thing the authoritarians have in common.

Most of the world is moving very fast towards the authoritarian side - the vertical dimension on the political compass.

Yet, it's also true that many countries are moving far to the right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_compass


I think it has more to do with an anti-authoritarianism attitude than anything else.

Agreed, both sides are authoritarian. It's not mutually exclusive.

Both the left extreme and the right extreme are authoritarian.

You have no idea what you're talking about, nor do the people that responded to you it seems. Authoritarianism is completely orthogonal to the "left-right" axis of political philosophy.

There is a libertarian left (anarchism) and libertarian right (Ayn Rand style American libertarianism), as well as authoritarian left (marxist-leninist style socialism) and authoritarian right (fascism).

politicalcompass.org


Yes I understand what the political compass purportedly states, but the fact is that the economic axis is not devoid of authoritarianism. If the left axis is about arbitrary allocation of resources (in this case, in accordance with some egalitarian distribution scheme), then it is authoritarian. That doesn't make it bad or good, it's just authoritarian.

Therefore, the best way to reason about the common political compass is that the vertical axis is authoritarianism vs libertarianism, and the horizontal axis is economic authoritarianism vs economic libertarianism.


They are more orthogonal than dictatorship and authoritarianism though

GP was deleted so I don't know what it said, but authoritarianism happens both on the right and on the left. [1]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism


I'm pretty sure both of them are anti-authoritarian.

I agree with you completely, authoritarianism is on a different axis than "left" or "right".

I was commenting on what I am seeing coming from those who described themselves as being ideologically aligned with the "left" today.

I see censorship, speech limiting, "canceling", compelled speech, etc, coming from that area today.

When I was a kid in the 80s and 90s this was very much the kind of thing I saw coming from the "right", limiting expression for political and religious reasons.

Like I mentioned, as a liberal (which I don't belive is inherently left or right) I've been disappointed in the modern "left" which seems to me to be taking a step back from liberalism. I see a lot of authoritarianism coming from that direction right now.


I think they meant authoritarian, they come in all political stripes

It's about the means different political forces use to assert their beliefs on society. Both sides are capable of authoritarianism.

I always viewed it as descriptive and not prescriptive, so I wouldn't say it implies movement across the authoritarian axis just by moving more right or left.
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