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2nd World? Doesn't that usually refer to former members of the old Eastern Block?[1]

To my knowledge, Italy has never been part of the Eastern Block.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc



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Everything east of the German/Austrian/Italian borders is usually considered Eastern Europe.

Eastern Europe isn’t included with in “Western countries.” Hence the name, Eastern.

I really wouldn’t consider Latin America to be in the West either.


No. Everything east of the German / Austrian / Italian border was part of the Eastern block, which was the east / west clivage for about half a century.

What's coming back is the pre-cold-war delineation where areas of orthodox primacy north of the black sea are eastern europe, south of it are south-eastern, and the catholic areas are central, northern, southern and western (with the iberic peninsula often being split out as southwestern).

Basically before WWII "Western Europe" was France, the British Isles and the Low Countries.


What about eastern EU?

I've never heard people refer to Italy as "central Europe", personally.

Really, never heard that before. In my circles even part of Germany is secretly considered Eastern Europe. Maybe it's more political than geographical. Don't know.

op could've meant Eastern Europe.

Well, they are correct. Geographical center of Europe is in Poland.

You are confusing eastern block with eastern Europe.


I really think it's backwards: EU tends to refer itself as Europe because of the former Western block mindset.

It is Europe, but not EU

Eastern _and_ Western Europe.

Careful with that statement, you forgot Europe also has Eastern Europe :)

Umm... Europe is not the only territory in the world. There's all of central asia, and Mongolia, former soviet territory.

> Europe, second smallest of the world’s continents.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Europe

Continents are more about how humans want to group landmasses rather than a hard scientific definition.


Exactly.

P.S. Also Russia, which is not really Europe.


>Western Europe includes Italy, Spain, Portugal and UK, too.

It does, but there's also the North/South division (even within a single country, like Italy, but even more so generally).

South Europe is not really "Western" in this sense (and in other senses, e.g. with respect to religious heritage and ethics, catholicism and orthodoxy vs protestants, etc).


EU != Eastern Europe

EU == European Union


Spain and Italy are Western Europe by post-WW2 geo-politics, but a better definition would be to say they are Southern Europe which, by developer pay, is even worse than Eastern Europe that most devs there have long moved north to the point where I doubt they're many left there.

+1 great comment, but I think you meant "Eastern Europe".
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