I’ll say it again: it’s absolutely irrational that we encourage flipping through our tax system. Short-term capital gains on housing should be taxed at 100%.
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On my personal wish-list of reforms is an incredibly high (say, 90%) tax on short-term capital gains for real estate investments.
The whole justification for the mortgage interest write-off (which is otherwise just a gigantic government handout to property owners), is that it promotes home ownership, the family unit, etc. The problem is, there's no equivalent dis-incentive for short-term speculation on property, and what was intended to be an incentive for family home ownership actually helped to fuel the ponzi scheme that is effectively driving families out of their homes today.
If short-term gains on home sales were taxed at very high rates, it would basically be impossible for "investors" to flip homes for short-term profits. A huge incentive for speculative price increases in the housing market would be eliminated.
(Plus, no more stupid TV shows about house flipping. It's win-win!)
I've long argued for something similar, just in the housing market: the short-term capital gains tax on homes should be 95%.
The government got into the home-loan business under the pretense that it needed to encourage home ownership to promote community and stability. Then, it allowed flippers to go crazy speculating on home price increases, and effectively subsidized the process via Fannie and Freddie. If we had been taxing short-term home owners at a rate near 100% of their profits, it would have killed the flipping market dead, served to keep home prices in check, and encouraged the values that the agencies were designed to uphold.
(Problem is, of course, that this never could have happened -- for the last three years, the sole pillar of our economic growth has been home price increases. There's no way that congress or the White House would have allowed that pillar to be knocked down. Everyone is conveniently forgetting this today, but it's still true.)
Honestly I think this one is totally fair. I would even go further and say that property tax you pay on your house should be capped at what you're paying on the day you bought it. And even further we should just get rid of property taxes and collect it via income. We don't tax unrealized gains except for property and doubly because you can't just sell 20% of your house to pay the taxes.
Owning your home is meaningless if you can be priced out of it while just living there. Making people come up with money because they have an asset that can't be readily turned into money is silly when you can just tax money.
> slap a 100% capital gains tax on any property that is not owner-occupied
This is backwards. Such a tax will be a strong incentive to never ever sell since the seller would hand off all gains to the tax man. Who would want to sell?
Instead, you'd want to actually incentivize selling if you're not living on the property. Make the capital gain tax very low, that makes selling it off the most attractive option.
We need to end or put limits on the Primary Residence Capital Gains Tax Exemption which is uncapped in Canada, unlike the cap of 200k in USA. It is unfair to renters and it is leading to insane housing prices.
It is unfair to renters because renters do not have an equivalent 100%, completely unlimited tax-free investment vehicle. We have Tax-Free Savings Accounts, limited to ~$5k contribution per year, and we have RRSP's with max contributions scaled to income, but homeowners have access to all those things too, and they are limited. Homeowners can take advantage of TFSA, RRSP, and then shove all of their remaining savings into maxing out their home purchase and enjoy all of their gains completely tax free. Renters have to start paying capital gains at an inclusion rate of 50% once they max out TFSA/RRSP.
This system is completely unfair and places a higher tax burden on renters who are, on average, less wealthy than homeowners. It encourages us to spend more than we should be on housing just to get around taxes, and discourages investing in actual productive things like innovation/companies.
Also, we don't tax the capital gains of sold additional homes enough. We should tax those gains to the extent that it isn't profitable to own and sell additional property.
I think GP was talking about property taxes. Even the US has tax free capital gains up to a limit.
No capital gains isn't necessarily a great system either. It leads to people treating their primary home as a retirement savings vehicle.
Taxing inflation-adjusted capital gains on home sales is a sensible compromise. And maybe also allowing the gain to be divided over years of ownership.
Your last line is pretty much my exact opinion. I'm an idiot, but I struggle to see how significant taxes (and I mean SIGNIFICANT - something like having all rental income and cap gains on secondary residences taxed at the highest rate ~54%) in these cases wouldn't have extremely broad appeal. Make the sector unappealing as an investment class and you should stop seeing unfettered speculation. The idea of housing being an investment in general is warped.
The principal residence tax exemption is also a joke but I also understand it's political suicide to try and get rid of it and at this point, since so many people have their life savings tied up in real estate, you'd probably be causing more problems by removing it.
Or just make capital gains apply on any earnings over $1M or so. Suddenly it would not be such an exciting amazing thing to have your home double in value, would it?
The raised taxes could be earmarked for building (gasp!) public housing. The stuff we used to build until the 90s, when it suddenly became absolutely unpopular and politically toxic for governments to encourage affordable housing stock.
That these kinds of policies can't/won't happen tells you that the foxes are running the hen house in this country, at every level of government and business. E.g. the response to affordability crisis is more stimulus and subsidies (new tax free home buyers accounts, etc), rather than getting pricing under control by building homes and regulating real estate law.
their on the right track. But, why not just lower the tax to say 0.5% from 1%, and then make it apply to everyone at their Current home value. That would be fairest.
I think one way to soften the blow could be to make all property sales, even your first home that you live in full-time, fully capital-gains taxable. Homes need to be seen less as investment vehicles.
I'm sure there are better tax strategies than taxing capital gains on the house. That harms home owners and savers too. Most people's biggest source of savings is their house.
Instead figure out some way of differentiating between a house as primary residence and a house as investment, and tax former less and the latter more.
Canada should get rid of the capital gains tax exemption on the sale of primary residences and use the money raised in that manner to build more housing and to help renters and the homeless. Even if they just levied a modest percentage tax, like 5% or 10%, it would raise enormous sums of capital. And homeowners would still be making windfall profits.
This comes up a lot. But it's wrong, or at least incomplete. People who want to live in their house don't want the value of that house to go up, because then their taxes go up.
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