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Thanks for the prompt response!

To shed some more light on qualifications, I've BS+MS in ECE with ~3 years of experience in the security field. I'm a member of a well recognized standards committee defining security standards. I've given conference talks, and published articles in industry trade journals.

Does that make my odds of getting O1 visa (or EB1 green card) higher in any way?



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ive got into the us on an O1 and now have a EB1 green card. i also founded a fairly big agency in Denmark hiring people from around the world so yeah I would say i have experience :)

How would you rate a senior engineer's odds at qualifying for an O-1 visa? Can they get by on career/work history alone or does it require a level of public notoriety?

Hello Peter,

Thank you for taking the time to provide insightful answers to our questions.

My question concerns EB-1 visas and greencards for extraordinary ability. The usual route to prove 'extraordinary ability' seems heavily skewed towards those with scientific publications under their belt. Would it be possible to qualify for a software engineer leaning towards tangible tech contributions, for example significant commits to open source projects and building online products with a decent user base ?


Pretty much anyone with a Ph.D, core contributor to a major open source project, inventor of record on multiple patents, speaker at conferences, OR otherwise able to demonstrate that s/he is an expert in their field can get admitted on an O-1 visa, if they have good legal representation.

I do not have personal experience with O1 visa, so I'd suggest finding a lawyer or put up another AskHN for it. I'm sure several HN users have went through O1 process before.

That said, I can tell you what I know, but takes it with a lot of salt.

You don't need to be anywhere near Nobel winner level to get an O1 -- which is the impression one might get from reading on USCIS description of O1. However, you still need to be demonstrably good. Since the agency is unable to judge whether anyone of a profession is an expert or not - this is not a slight on them, it's just impossible for an outsider to judge competency of any practioner of any profession - they mostly defer to other external validation you've already got in your field: professional award, news about you or your work by mainstream newspaper (even non-US one, I think news in your own country counts), patents, your alma mater, other well known experts in your field etc. Basically it might be a bit of a popularity contest. To make it concrete, I know an acquaintance who got O1: went through MIT, has a couple of patents, working at a good company, couple of highschool awards, had some articles on him when he was a teenager. I don't know exactly the extent of who was writing recommendations and such for him.

I've also seen a HN user who said they was executive of a startup that exited at reasonable high returns, yet unable to secure O1 visa (some other HN users in that same thread indicates it might be a lawyer issue, I don't know).

Finally, can you make a couple of million bucks? That might be the easiest way to get to the US ...

Also as someone else have said in another thread, if you got an offer from the big company, they'd glad to relocate you to another country where they have an office. Everything I said just applied to the US and I think any other country would be much easier.


The only person I'm aware of in the tech field (though I'm sure there are many) who got into the US on an O-1 visa is David Heinemeier Hansson (Rails / 37signals).

The criteria for O-1 are particularly tough - after all, you have to prove you're extraordinary and world class in your field. I suspect David's application was based significantly around him being the Google/O'Reilly Hacker of the Year 2005. You need to be at the top of your industry (or be talked about as if you were) to get one of those babies..


It sounds like an EB1A green card could work for you. Send me your CV.

May I ask what you do for a living? From what I understand O1 is a very difficult visa category to get into.

Thanks Dani. I am aware of the O-1 visa. However wait times are about 1-2 years to get it (the same as an EB1 green card). I think I might have a case with my background. Thanks anyway!

Yes, I have checked. I don't think I do. O visas require clear proof of exceptional ability - and in my field, I'd have to show multiple international publications, awards won, a SJD, etc.

O visas are easy to get if you're an author, celebrity, renowned professor, and so on.

I'm not in that category. I have publications in international journals and corporate awards - but an O visa would be a stretch.

It's easier for me to leave the US for a year, and come back and reapply under the EB1 classification, and this is something that I am seriously considering. It depends on what new rules the USCIS makes this year - and also on the outcome of the upcoming Presidential election.


From what immigration lawyers have described to me, USCIS is cracking down and making the requirements for an O-1 (And EB-1, by proxy) more strict.

What they want is "objectively verifiable" evidence in the form of press, recognition, awards, earnings, etc. What they value much less now than they used to is famous people telling them how awesome you are (e.g. getting your famous investor to write you a letter is less valuable now). Their stance on this is that if you're as awesome as you say you are, there should be objective third party validation available.

So in your case, since you are a very top expert in a very niche field, you should be able to produce objective verification from experts in the field, peer reviewed publications (or well regarded publications in the field), and so on.

The good news is that the visa actually is designed for people like you :)

Once again though: Talk to an immigration lawyer, this is not immigration advice, just things as I know them :)


I would need to see the specifics to evaluate the chances but essentially where one or two publications might be sufficient for O-1, more are needed for EB1A. But to be clear, a PhD is absolutely not required for an EB1A or NIW green card. It's more what a PhD typically signifies, publications, presentations, and original work.

I would need to see the specifics to evaluate the chances but essentially where one or two publications might be sufficient for O-1, more are needed for EB1A. But to be clear, a PhD is absolutely not required for an EB1A or NIW green card. It's more what a PhD typically signifies, publications, presentations, and original work.

As a machine learning engineer, what's the minimum criteria for me to apply and get an O1 visa? General consensus seems to be geared at having great accomplishments but I saw people without exceptional accomplishments also get it.

What are things I could do to improve my resume for EB1 category Greencard in the next year or so? I am currently on H1B working as a SWE at a top Silicon valley company (think Google/FB). I have a Master's degree in CS from a top US university and have a couple of years work experience. According to the company attorney, I qualify only for the EB2 category. Unfortunately, the EB2 queue is extremely long since I am from India. I am asking this since you mentioned in your past AMAs that it is possible for strong EB2 candidates to move to EB1.

An immigration lawyer suggested that I should apply for the O-1 visa.

If you've been through this process as a software engineer, could you share your experience?

- Could you recommend any particular immigration lawyer/firm?

- Which eligibility criteria did you use?

Thanks


Hey Peter,

Thanks for doing this AMA. My question is regarding EB1A. I work in large tech firm in US, have masters degree in CS, with couple of IEEE publications and some US approved patents. Original work with total citation count ~40. I am in critical engineering role in my company in their flagship product (can get recommendations as well if needed). What are my chances for EB1? Thanks again!


The bar for 01 (called Evidentiary Criteria) is much much lower.

I know of several people who went the O1 route and basically the process was this:

- A job offer with a "high" salary (basically it seemed anything over 100k would do the trick)

- Judged a hackathon

- "News" coverage of the hackathon

Then a big check to the immigration attorney who wrap it up in a bunch of legalese and send it off to the immigration officials who don't have enough knowledge or insight to question any of it.


Thanks, that's helpful to know! Do you believe an O-1 would be equally easy to obtain whether I go into academics or industry? How reluctant are companies when it comes to interviewing someone who isn't presently in the US?
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