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You can apply the same surprise-attack and bully-accusation strategies on them, can you not?


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You make a good point (and it takes guts to admit being a bully): the anti-bullying strategy is to make the bully pick a different target.

You don't have to be "un-bullyable", you just have to be less bullyable than the next guy.

However, I still believe it's possible to fight back in a non-physical manner. My experience has always been that wit is sharper than fists, so I plan to teach my kids to fight back with language, not punches.


The only way to dissuade a bully is to hurt him. Bullies look for easy victims, and back off when they themselves are made vulnerable to you in some way.

What's wrong with hitting back a bully if you can? If you can, by all means do it. The problem is not that, it's shaming those who can't hit back.

Yes, because attacking people and bullying them is a wonderful way to make friends and influence people.

Nope. You misunderstand what bullying is. You can't bully an abstract group.

It is also done with people you want to bully. Also, this mocking relationship is very often one way instead of symmetric.

This works because in general, most bullies are giant pussies. When they find out their target won't just accept their mis-guided aggressions but fight back, they just find a new target that won't.

"The only work­able tactic was to distance your­self"

No. You stand up for yourself and call out the dick. He attacks you and you haven't even presented yet. When you are right, don't let bullies bully.


From Butterick's blog post

> I learned early on that when you tattle on the bullies, they come for you twice as hard the next time. The only work­able tactic was to distance your­self and hope they found someone else to pick on.

For anyone who is bullied, or has kids who are being bullied - this is a very weak tactic. When I was bullied in school what worked was a) allies and b) violence (I had the good fortune to grow up in a place where schoolkids never carry weapons)


What's up with that? Bullies go after the weak. You describe yourself as daring, in that you'd talk back if provoked. You weren't their target demographic.

It’s called “right back at ya”, a quite effective (online only though) strategy. “Give the other cheek” and similar BS is not going to work with crazy lunatics and bullies.

They bullied you the way they best knew how, and now you bully others the way you best know how.

You'd surprised how easy it is to bully someone without realizing.

Some people react to bullying by learning how to bully; some people by learning how not to. It's hard to see either tactic working out.

I never actually said that was the best response to bullying, just one possible response. It's what worked for me, and I think it can work for others as well. Sometimes breaking a bully's nose will make them leave you alone, sometimes it will just escalate the problem.

I think it's unwise to universally swear off any tactic when dealing with an oppressive situation, from simple bullying to an authoritarian government. You have to determine on a situational basis which tactics are going to be most effective, and then follow through with them.


It's just a different kind of bullying.

Nobody likes a bully. These disgraceful tactics are sadly becoming more common.

But it's different. Facing a bully is more like jumping in front of the train to stop it.

Yes, but that's the point. I never picked on someone who I felt would fight back. I don't know how I developed this intuition as a kid but it was fairly accurate. The thing is if the kid fought back then I would probably have picked someone else. It must be hard for the bullying victim but it's something that has to be done.

This link you gave is interesting. My corollary to this is as a victim, never do favors for your bullier. It only makes you look weaker in their eyes and it will only spur them on. For me, the only solution is to fight back and make yourself not look an easy target.

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