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Well, it worked for Marion Robert Morrison. He grew up to be John Wayne.


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The movie starring John Wayne is good too.

my dad was an extra in the movie The Alamo (1960), which Wayne starred in and directed. My dad said Wayne cussed a lot. My dad played a mexican cavalry man....

My dad and many men of his era and place (we lived in west texas) always sort of lived their lives in a john wayne sort of fashion.... in the movie Hondo, Wayne, upon hearing that a young boy could not swim across the creek in front of him, grabbed him by his underwear and threw him in the creek--sink or swim. My dad did the same to me at about age 6.

Anyway, I think it was John Ford who made Wayne a real star.


Didn't know they where so conservative I wonder if the sissy male insult was around before the American John Wayne aesthetic

I honestly was only thinking about Ozark, but both work.

These kinds of tropes are in old movies. The 49er whos struck gold and looks like a vagrant. Tuco in the Good the Bad and the Ugly who mistakes a union soldier for a confederate soldier, etc.

Par for the course. They may as well have one for Butch Cassidy too.

my father used to watch that movie at least once a month, usually with a bourbon in his hand, and alway a shit-eating grin on his face. i'm positive he wishes he could have been a mountain man when he 'grew up'.

I agree. Sort of like how Clint Eastwood redefined Westerns from the cleancut western hero to a more morally ambiguous unshaven guy with a different sort of charisma.

My what a boring media landscape it would be if all characters were goodie little “Mary Poppins” types.

Just because a minority wrongly take inspiration from an ill behaved character is no reason to temper a fictional character actions. Did Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid lead to an increase in bank and train robberies?


I used to work for Roy Rogers, when we had to call the customers “Pardner.”

There's other examples like Ken Jeong, Kal Penn, John Cho, and more.

Also the weird history of Asian actors playing Native Americans in Westerns...


So did the wild west.

And that was the basis of an in-joke in the movie The Frisco Kid when Gene Wilder called out to the landsmann !

If this sort of thing is of interest, check out John Ware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ware_(cowboy)

Ware started life as a slave in the American South and ended as a respected rancher and member of the community in Calgary, Alberta. There would probably be movies about this guy if he'd stopped at Montana instead of crossing into Canada.


Ever watched Fargo[0]? If not, don't forget your Truecoat.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2LLB9CGfLs


> Western spirit was about putting behind differences and doubling down on cooperation.

Maybe in the movies, but certainly not in real life.

When did this ever happen?


Going to be very interesting when Huck Finn gets this treatment.

Any comprehensive study of the genre must include movies directed by John Ford; and movies starring John Wayne. There will be much overlap in these two sets. Wayne was not a versatile actor, but any study of The American Western without significant attention to him would be incomplete. "Stagecoach" and "The Searchers" are good examples of their early and later collaborations, respectively. Howard Hawks' "Rio Bravo". Anthony Mann's westerns starring James Stewart. More recent suggestions would include Lawrence Kasdan's "Silverado" and Clint Eastwood's "Unforgiven".

This is true, but there was also a significant amount of ADR/Overdubbing work with american actors, especially for the minor roles.

One of the most notable exceptions, of course, being Red Leader, a British actor doing a fantastic rendition of a midwestern american cowboy

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