> It's time to stop being dickish and work out what we're going to do in the new reality whether we like it or not. Ridiculing half the population as uneducated xenophobes isn't going to achieve anything.
In the interest of stopping being dickish, you could start by admitting that brexiters are not, in fact, "half of the population". Around 1/4 of the population voted for brexit on the Referendum [1]. Since then, it's likely that some amongst those have changed their opinion, now that more information about how (and how not) the process would (or will not) take place.
> Look, we're going into this together.
I, as a non-UK European, agree on that. UK should have a second referendum, for its shake as well as Europe's.
> I know I'll get told off for this, but I really do wish you whining Remainers would just fuck right off
As an European, i wish you whining British people would just.. maybe not fuck off, but shut up. The world doesn't revolve around you, and your country is on its way to diplomatic insignificance and isolation. Me commenting on the terrible course of your incompetent government doesn't mean i want you back in the EU. You're better off destroying yourself away from us, so that we can focus on what matters.
> If you want to sell into Europe then Britain made sense...until the fuckwits voted for leave (yeah I'm bitter, they fucked over everyone my age and under).
I think this is where the 'Remoaner' labels come from.
> Yep! This is exactly the kind of sentiment I was talking about.
No, you were talking about "smug" EU remainers / still-in-the-EU citizens, weren't you? The people who "voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party" are the Brexiteers.
> having actually gone partly down the brexit path
What do you mean exactly?
> The treatment of leavers by remainers has been frankly disgusting
Completely agree. The whole thing of people taking sides, rather than discussing a political issue, has been absurd and awful.
> voted for brexit on informed reasons
Unfortunately this was badly communicated, the media's fault no doubt. It was genuinely quite difficult to find a reasoned, balanced view (especially on the leave side I have to say).
>change their minds instead of writing off opinions such as yours and the thread parent.
>It is rare to persuade people by throwing in the towel on explaining.
TBH, I don't think you can reason with people like that. If that's your cup of tea, please do. Maybe you will make the world a better place. In the meantime, I'll be definitely making my world better, by avoiding brexiters, antivaxers, flat-earthers and other crazies.
>Rather than hurling abuse
Technically, I don't think that that matters, as I am not going and I am not insulting anybody specifically (if somebody takes an offence about such a general statement on the internet, it's kinda their problem). But if anybody would ask me to support their stance on pro-brexit, I would gladly call them (brexiters) an idiot.
It really takes audacity to defend such a "move" where everybody loses.
>I see Brexit as a means of fighting back against a relentless ruling class that has grown out of an apathy of the working class.
What you did is you submitted yourself to whackjobs like May or Johnson who apparently think that advisory referendum made them supreme rulers that can just sidestep the parliament
Wonder why UK is talking about leaving EHRC if you want your human rights protected
Criminal City as in main export goods of UK: LIBOR fixing, tax evasion, money laundering, etc. After 2008 there were genuine attempts at reform, all succesfully cockblocked and watered down by UK
Everywhere there is doom and gloom, not just EU - the current financial system will collapse under the unbearable debt that is created ever quicker.
And the rise of China and India is exactly why small countries are irrelevant. Sure, you get to feel all important for a while, but since you don't really have much to offer to a giant they can just steamroll over you.
Thats what I don't get. You bitch and moan about how EU is evil and trying to destroy UK, for taking EU perks away and then you turn around and argue how evil and bad the EU is because it has nothing to offer...
> they're not quite -that- dumb as to out themselves directly
I don't know. Have you heard some brexiteers complaining about brexit. Of course the problem is that Brexit wasn't done 'properly'. 'brexit means brexit' and all that.
> But hey, if they were stupid enough to leave the EU than they're capable of doing anything.
This is quite offensive. Please don't tar the entire country with the same brush.
This was - and still is - a highly controversial & divisive subject. It was only voted in by 51.89% vs 48.11% of the population ...at the time - more recent polling suggests it has flipped (1)
> Ah yes, you've just reminded me of one of the other issues: Some Remain campaigners had difficulty engaging with people who were on the fence about the EU without calling them ignorant yokels.
In other words: The truth hurt. And out of spite they cut off their own nose. Well, whatever works for them.
> sneering anti-Brexiters.
...uh-huh
reply