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How is the proposed system different from computing the cost per gallon by taking the flat rate and dividing it by the typical usage, and using that amount under a conventional billing model?

Either way, it has the same basic properties of "cost is flat over time if you continue to conserve" and "you'll pay more than your neighbours if you use more than them."



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> So you think like this: "distance from point A to point B is 250 miles, my car gets 25 miles to the gallon, so I'll use 10 gallons, 1 gallon price is $3.00 so it'll cost me $30.00". Easy as pie.

That's why. It's exactly the same thing you're talking about.


Couldn't that be solved by pay tiers? If you use 0-X number of gallons, you pay $0.01/gallon, X to Y $0.10/gallon, Y to Z $1/gallon, etc.

The pricing should penalize over-consumption. Let's say the first 10 gallons of gas per week are taxed at a certain rate, the next 10 gallons a higher rate and so forth.

I understand that, but I'll take an average even at the benefit of the distributor rather than per minute pricing. Imagine if we had to pay for gas by per second.

But if one station is charging 3.69 and another is charging 3.39, should I assume that the one charging more actually paid 30 cents more a gallon, or have that much more for expenses? Or are they making an extra quarter gallon? right now I can go buy regular for anywhere between 3.20 and 3.80, for no apparent reason.

If the profit margin is really only a few cents a gallon, it seems like there should be a big incentive to simply charge an extra $0.05 a gallon.

I've also noticed some stations charge way more for regular, but the same for premium... They just don't have as large a spread, which would in courage people to buy premium.

This is an Oregon, too, where there is a unusual situation for gasoline since people aren't allowed to pump their own and it has resulted, for some reason, in significantly fewer filling stations.


I think it is the efficiency that I didn't consider. As far as I know, gas is roughly 5 cents a gallon.

> What would the impact on prices be if there were no electronic payments?

According to the local gas station, 10 cents cheaper per gallon. Which is about 2%.


Interestingly, if we add an offset tax to gasoline it'd only be 30 cents a gallon for inefficient capture (a lot, politically, but not harsher than living in your house for a year). With newer capture technologies it could be closer to 4 cents a gallon, which is less than the price difference between gas stations.

The second-order effects are that once you build thousands of these capture stations there's huge financial upside to making them even better.

Tax actually seems very feasible.


Apparently not?

The cost can come from the margin for the gas station, not the consumer


I should probably have specified marginal cost. If I did my math right, it's a fraction of a cent per litre on the margin. The fixed costs are a large part of that total price.

> If it is 9/10 of a penny, then it is $0.001 per gallon. Fueling a 20 gallon tank is $0.02.

… and some people will drive down the block for those 2 cents, even though they may not realize that it’s only 2 cents. It’s just “cheaper” to them.


Yet collectively as a society we are paying more than $10/gallon. It's just that the costs aren't paid at the pump.

> majority of the nation enjoys close to $1 a gal.

This is highly regional. We are currently at somewhere around $1.75/gallon.

Twenty miles away, though, has $0.99 / gallon.

Doesn't make sense to me.


Yea, based on the eia data it should all be ballpark but the calculation is there mostly just to serve as an example. You could shave a little off gas-per-fillup in retrospect because very few people will use 15gal exactly and few new car gas tanks are over 15gal but the $3 service charge balances that out somewhat. Based on the map on their site, it looks like their margins might be slimmer than what I calculated but they succeed by having a lot of customers in a very small area that they serve.

Gas costs just what the gas company asks for it, which is equal to what they think you’ll pay for it.

So it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to do this comparison to make some environmental point.


Raising tiered rates enough, intuitively, is effectively the same as a cap.

Yes, it's absurd to think about charging ex. $50k a gallon for gallons over 10k, but that's basically a cap. No one has the money.

(But yes, I'd say we should implement caps rather than being ridiculous)


I think a more apt analogy would be paying $3,000 to fill your tank for ~$6/gallon gas for your car

That sounds reasonable but I wonder how well it'll work. Gas here in SoCal is over 5$ a gallon and people still driving massive cars paying over 100$ per fill up. It's nuts!

Or it would lower costs because saving gas saves money.
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