How would you define outrage porn? I think that we have to be careful with definitions. Just as we do not define everything that produces sexual arousal as porn because we would have to call even meaningful relationships porn, we should be careful not to call everything that might produce a certain level of disagreement "outrage porn". If there is a well reasoned and substantiated article about something that is bad and should be fixed, what is your metric to distinguish it from outrage porn?
But who gets to decide what "porn" is? If I upload a video talking about my opinions and I'm not wearing a shirt, is that porn? By which community's standard do we say something is "pornographic"? There are certain groups in America that say women showing their ankles is arousing, do we go with their standards?
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For that matter, what if the act of sex is the actual message? As in, two people are having sex and they are doing that as a direct message towards some political entity?
"Anger is a high-arousal emotion, which drives people to take action...It makes you feel fired up, which makes you more likely to pass things on.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outrage_porn
What's the matter with pornography? All the porn I find on the internet arouses sexual interest, which is a good thing. No one's getting choked, stabbed, shat on, or anything vile, but a lot of people are either getting laid or getting ready to get laid. So what?
Some will say that if it's not vile and degrading it's not porn. I think there's a question of defining terms.
1. I didn't call naked female breasts porn, I only said that classifiers have a hard time identifying what is porn vs educational imagery. One example if you think about it is that many simple classifiers utilize skin color. More skin color, more likely to be porn. So yeah, even if you don't want to consider just naked female breasts porn, your classifier might still make that mistake.
2. As someone who works in abuse, defining porn is really nuanced. You don't get to define porn for yourself, and while I actually do agree with where you stand on cultural norms in general, when it comes to offering public services you actually have to just go with what people find acceptable per country / comply with laws. So in some countries what would be called porn isn't considered that in others (topless women in Europe, or bikini-clad women in USA).
You can argue that all countries shouldn't body shame women or set rules for what they can and cannot wear / especially with double standards vis a vis men. (And I personally hold that view too.) But that's a societal issue / opinion and not related to having to define service behavior, which exists in society and has to comply with its whims.
Why would that not be "porn"? I would define that as "material intended to sexually arouse the particular audience". Merriam-Webster appears to largely agree
The material being harmful and produced via abuse doesn't remove it from that definition, in the same way that rape isn't removed from the definition of "sex"
It's debatable and not as clear cut. Many believe that a "liberation" of sexual content manifests the objectification of women and therefore is a net negative to society and the progress toward equality.
Sure there are some things that some call art and some call porn. There are some things that some call sex education and some call porn. There are some things that everyone calls porn. Go to xtube.com and you can find lots of things that no-one will disagree is porn. So what do you do about that sort of content on tumblr or any other site?
(For the record, I'm pro-porn and pro-sex, sex is great!)
Something of substance to take away from the above:
Revenge porn is not porn.
Just because there's nudity, there's a woman, and it's a JPG on a website, that does not make it porn. Calling this hateful act "porn" is a misnomer, and throws a valid mode of both sexual and aesthetic as well as economic and political expression under the proverbial bus.
Porn is inherently immoral though. It's self-serving and degrading. It weakens the mind and spirit and results in a weakening of society. Also, just because you don't like a description doesn't mean that it's an ad hominem.
>We can reach the goal without definition, but would we recognize it?
You can very easily shoot a porn, even without being able to define what is pornographic and what is not (a proverbially notoriously difficult to define thing, often times debated legally in various countries, for example "movie where sex acts are performed" or "movie meant to arouse the viewer sexually" both don't cut it).
I'm not a fan of this use of the word porn, I think it is awkward and can make some benign interesting topics seem unsafe for work, which is the only reason I wrote my original comment.
But it is interesting how that revealed your antiquated thoughts on consensus and how that relates to the utility and cataloguing of language and how that relates that to mere communication itself. What we have is an easy to understand term, moving from slang to non-slang by various sources just from continual use. It doesn't make it difficult for you to understand, and you also don't have to use it and only understand. So it is interesting how you expand that to an inconsequential pedestal.
I would be curious if it remains in use on the longer term. I hope not. But the inclusion in these other dictionaries - whether someone modifies wikipedia or not - just makes it last longer.
Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart: "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."
There are things that we understand in practice, but fail to objectively define. That's because pornography is a social idea that changes on circumstances. 'Artistic Pornography' is when the pornography has an artistic value. An artistic value is when the intentions of the art is to depict more than the sex. Typically portraying love, acceptance, insecurity. A medium which is meant to create emotion, a story that doesn't necessarily have to be told through words. That has much more artistic value.
Tumblr had quite a few artists that would depict these things very well.
But really when I said that I meant porn that's well made. Problem being that people lump all porn together, and it's just not the same things. Videos on the front page of Pornhub vs manga with some romantic sexual relationships for example.
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