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No, you could have said "at least it's not slavery".

I empathize with your outrage, but you're being hyperbolic. I think you should avoid this because it's a good way of discrediting your position.



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You are right. My apologies - I should have said: "just a bit better than slavery".

Calling something slavery doesn't make it so. Statements like this are ridiculous, and they also minimize the evils of actual slavery.

It can be shitty without being slavery. You don't have to frame every debate like this just to strengthen your point.

I'm sorry I have a strong aversion to hyperbole, but if you're going to compare the situations outlined in the article to slavery you're going to have to lump a lot of other stuff into the slavery pile as well. It's important to preserve the weight of words lest you further increase people's apathy.

I should have looked at your username before even bothering — but you're really dismissing how bad actual slavery is.

>It is not even much fundamentally different from slavery.

Yes it is.


> If that’s slavery, then so be it

Be better.


Sure, it’s an exaggeration, but there are parallels to slavery, so your outrage seems a little unwarranted.

> It is not slavery. That is a silly exaggeration.

I blame the gradual watering down of the word "slavery" from "actual slavery" to "any economic arrangement that is unfair".


You're twisting my words. No one is arguing "for" slavery here.

> or slavery 300 years ago

I am no apologist for any country, but wouldn't a better point be the very real, widespread, and constitutionally-protected prisoner slavery, which is happening in America today not just 300 years ago?


This is a horrible thing, but it's not slavery. That's just a rhetorical device.

> It really doesn't seem very many steps above slavery.

It is exactly slavery, and it is the explicit exception to the US Constitutional abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment.

It's also an explicit exception to the international prohibition on slavery in the ICCPR.


It's horribly insensitive to even mention slavery in the same breath. There are actual slaves in the world and this is a completely different situation.

> Well that's slavery

ftfy


>This is very much not slavery. It's terrible, it's fraud, and it's arguably indentured servitude, but it's not slavery. Calling it slavery is an insult to people who are owned and chained.

Actually trivializing it because it doesn't meet some ideal of what slavery should be is the actual insult to people who have to live through that hell life.

And the people indeed are or have been "owned and chained" would have no problem with calling such an injustice slavery too. That would be actually petty of them...

Not to mention that historically and globally there have been many forms and traditions of slavery and servitude -- including similar debt schemes, used even back in ancient Greece and Rome.


Why do people insist on calling something slavery when it clearly isn't slavery? You say something is bad without lying about what it is.

Agreed, calling this slavery is a level of hyperbole that doesn't help the debate at all.

I agree with what you are saying, just that the way you originally went about saying it by including a contrived hyperbolic example regarding slavery was a poor way to frame your position, at least in my opinion, and made your argument less likely to be received in good faith.
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