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I imagine the quantity is small but there is some percentage of buyers, such as myself, that make sure there is an root exploit available before I buy a phone.


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Millions of phones are sold that will never be rooted, and by manufacturers who purposely ensure that exploits to achieve root are patched as soon as they're found.

I have to imagine that it's less than 10% of Android owners that root their phones.

Certainly there is power in niche markets in this modern world where the barriers for distribution have been mostly obliterated by the internet..

That wonderful reality also blurs the importance of the majority though.

Most people just want things to work without having to deal with it.


90% of people don't want root exploits on their phone either. Let's hope it's the same 90%!

I was obviously referring to the practice of exploiting kernel vulnerabilities to gain root access to locked down phones.

Always have an obscure old phone with almost no feature (except voice and text). Generally the OS is so minimal that there's little room for an exploit, and by little room I mean that you will not have enough memory to add your rootkit.

This isn't a theoretical concern, there are known-in-the-wild cases of private and state actors using these device exploits to compromise their users on a mass scale. There are many ways to weigh this tradeoff, but just in pure numbers there may be more people with devices that have been compromised without their unforced consent than people who intentionally root them.

IMO better to trust in legal processes like Software Freedom Conservancy's lawsuit mentioned above to legally enforce the ability for users to root them than to intentionally leave users vulnerable to exploitation through their devices.


How many normal phones can you root these days?

To be clear, getting root is a reasonable thing to want. But then buy a phone meant to be unlockable. Nobody wants an exploitable kernel.

"you can't really trust a device, since there is always a chance that it could be rooted. See the long history of rooted game consoles"

How many get rooted without the user's intervention?


The sandboxes are regularly breached. Basically any time you hear about people "rooting" their phones, that's an intentional sandbox breach.

If a phone was rooted like as a action, the exploit to get root in the first place is probably still there.

Here's a counter anecdote to yours: the organization I work in has around 1000 people, I'd say about 30% easily know what 'rooting your phone' means, and at least 5% (probably closer to 10%) do it. Also an international organization here. Your sample group, like mine, is not good enough to come to any conclusions.

Jailbreaking should be compared to "rooting" in android world. And only fraction of users who rooted their phone install CyanogenMod.

What do other users, who rooted their phone? I, for example, installed OpenVPN. I had to have "su" access in order to do that. But I do not plan to install CyanogenMod any time soon simply because of lack of the time.

So... 1 million of Cyanogen users is pretty significant number in fact.


I can believe this, because they do have an interest in preventing any random party from taking over a phone. Unfortunately, there is a large gap between being resistant to exploits, and convincing the world that you're resistant to exploits through open review.

BTW do you mean "rooting" in the longstanding sense of general exploitation, or in the recent narrow sense of the owner of a device obtaining control of it? There's of course an overlap between these two, but insight into the specific business motivation would be interesting.


How many users have rooted Android? Especially people in the west who are worth a lot more to advertisers?

It can’t be that high anymore. All the signals seem to be that rooting is trending down. I could be wrong of course as I have no hard data.


I'd be willing to bet that 90% of people at Defcon with Androids had them rooted. Many were probably running custom ROMs.

If it is the former, don't forget that having a rooted phone likely puts you in the minority. Most people don't have the patience or confidence in their technical abilities to root their phones.

I don't think people realize rooted phones are an actual hazard to 99.95% of people who don't care but don't realize their phone is in an unsafe state. The point is to make a rooted phone hard to use so normal people won't screw themselves over because they got a rooted phone from Facebook marketplace and it was full of hidden malware sending all of their bank logins to someone else.

I think it's great this phone has been "rooted" and the protection bypassed.

I think it's sad if a single person buys this phone from T-Mobile/HTC because of this, because it ultimately perpetuates the business model of selling locked down rubbish.

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