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It'd feel more open if they actively designed the OS to make it hard to lock down, thus requiring rooting.


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What? If they wanted to provide infinite ways to use their devices and not restrict their use, they would be easily rootable.

Ideally root would be separate from bootloading unlocking.

As has been explained many times in the past, Android's relative openness compared to iOS at the source code level does not translate to measurable benefits for the majority of users because of carrier/manufacturer lockdown.

Rooting is a security exploit, and I don't consider it relevant to whether the OS is practically open.


The worst thing about smartphones (In my case android) is how closed they are.

Rooting is getting more difficult, bootloaders are getting more and more unlockable, SafetyNet and this new Play Integrity API are simply user-hostile.

There is absolutely no real rational reason to deny root access. Sure, non-technical people could mess something up, but if you make rooting just a combination of putting it in e.g. the fastboot mode and then running a single command to get root access. (Factory-State: No root-access), nobody would accidentally mess up the phone.


Yeah, I hear Android manufacturers and app developers are very encouraging of unlocked bootloaders and user root access.

It's not 2008 anymore, we're all in walled gardens now.


I dunno, it's still pretty easy. I think if google really wanted to they could make it quite a bit harder. And fixing exploits that give apps root access would prevent malicious apps from abusing it, no?

I am suggesting that the rooting was to improve the user experience and that only technical savy people really care about it.

The potential security issue isn't big enough to claim it's a problem compared to making it easy to use for most people.


not rooting is incompatible with freedom

A rooted android is even less secure.

Yes, you are right on this one. I actually wanted my pone itself to be rooted. But then again, I'd be demanding too much.

Also I want the mobile OSes to be root friendly, I know it goes against their corporate goals. Cyanogenmod is also as good as dead now.


I'd prefer a Free software OS that gives me root access.

It's probably easier to crash than root.

Except it's not impossible. Look at iphone and increasingly android. The device is locked down so hard that even the user doesn't have root access. Gaining root can be seen as a negative, borderline criminal thing and you lose warranty and repair service from the manufacturer. You also lose the ability to use some apps (Android pay, snapchat, etc.) just because you have root access.

The only ones with true root access are Apple and Samsung/Google.


Title is hype. IMO the hero Android needs is root access to be accessible easily out of the box. Buying closed phones is a fool's game.

Sincerely, a developer.


They are claiming the exact opposite of that: not having root access isn't a limit on creativity.

The thing is, it still wouldn't be enough. Ex. I currently use magisk to tell Google Play and all apps that my phone isn't rooted, allowing me to use app features they would otherwise lock me out of.

To be clear, getting root is a reasonable thing to want. But then buy a phone meant to be unlockable. Nobody wants an exploitable kernel.

Of course you will always have people to try to run things as root but the option could just be hidden like the developer options on Android with a big warning that enabling root might destroy their phone.

They're generally more open than iPhone, but the exact configuration is dictated by the carrier and manufacturer.

As for rooting, see here. http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Why_Root

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