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So long as there is contention for a finite resource the market always exists. If you don't pay with cash, you pay with something else that has value - your time.


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Without a market, there is no fair evaluation of value.

That's unfortunately not a choice that can be made either way. If something has demand, can be bought and sold, and has value, there is inherently an economic market for it.

Markets can determine price, not value.

Then that is the price of not having the headache. Markets work best when buyers AND sellers are constantly engaging in negotiations.

* It's very difficult to sell a market to zero, but impossible to buy it to infinity.

Markets are not zero sum. Value is "created* in a growing market.

The entire reason markets exist is so people can exchange what they don't want for things that they do want. For the purpose of this discussion, they are fungible.

There's a market, but no money.

Whether or not you think that market for trading should exist, it does.

You have it backwards.

Markets exist because of scarcity, not because of abundance. If something is available in unlimited abundance, there's no need of a market for it.


The correct thing to do is let the market decide. If it's profitable to do something, people will do it.

The existence of markets isn't being contested. If that's what you mean then sure. Markets exist. We can both move on with our days now.

The market solves these problems so we don’t have to.

It is extremely common for markets to face bursts in demand at peak times, and yet somehow we always find a sustainable equilibrium.


The market should decide. That’s commerce.

The only decision the market is allowed to make is “do I buy this, yes or no?” It (you) doesn’t get to change the rules whenever it feels like it when you don’t feel like paying for something.

Yeah, agreed. The market sets the price.

You can easily sell a market to zero, however it is much harder to buy a market to infinity.

"The market doesn't pay for effort, it pays for things people want."

The problem is that people still want the the product as much as they ever did, but they've discovered that they can always get it without paying a penny. The producer produces and the consumer consumes but the producer is not compensated. That's not a market.


The market isnt the ultimate arbiter of what has value.
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