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> Facebook spent $20 billion on WhatsApp and Instagram; Microsoft spent $26 billion on LinkedIn and $7.5 billion on GitHub. Deals such as these were possible only because those acquiring companies were themselves so very profitable.

Instagram had $0 revenue when acquired. WhatsApp had some revenue, but was not profitable IIRC.

EDIT: misread the line, above comment rescinded.



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> Then he did it again with WhatsApp.

As an outsider, it hasn’t been clear that whatsapp has generated any meaningful amount of cash flow 9 years after acquisition.

For a price tag of $19 billion, I’m not sure how to see this as a win.


> And yet the company was sold at 1 Billion USD, which seemed like short change.

That was 2009 though, was 1B USD small compared to the average corporate acquisitions at the time?

Instagram was also sold for 1B if I recall correctly.


> since when a company capable of routinely acquiring other established companies for tens of billions of dollars a startup

The acquisition was for “several hundred million pounds”, nowhere near tens of billions of dollars.


>They bought the photo company at what seemed an outrageous amount in part to co-opt a competitor. In the end it was profitable.

Are you talking about Instagram? Unless I've been living under a rock I haven't heard or read anything that says they're profitable.


>I guess anything makes sense to a company that paid $26 billion USD for LinkedIn.

Is there data to support that this was overvalued? Not personally a big fan of LinkedIn, but it seemed like probably a good long-term buy for Microsoft.


> “The valuation of $1 billion – not as insane as the [$15 billion] valuation placed by Microsoft on Facebook – was jaw dropping.”

lol


>Top companies are routinely paying $200k-300k these days

Yup, all four of them - Apple, Facebook, Google, Netflix.

</sarcasm>


> your business is never going to be more valuable than the amount of money your customers give you minus operating costs.

Unless you managed to sell WhatsApp to Facebook for $16B


>The AI firm is currently raising funds at a $29 billion valuation.

>The tech-industry giant is ready to pay upwards of $10 billion for the acquisition [49%]

So Microsoft is undervaluing them, and also soaking up 75% of profit until their investment is paid back? Seems like a bad deal.


> It's true that this doesn't really pattern-match with the founding story of huge successful companies like Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, or Google.

You forgot about Apple.


> we're not talking of Google or Facebook investing a chunk of their billions cash.

On the contrary, in this thread we are are mainly talking about that.


> Walmart did it.

Facebook took 17 years and Walmart took 25 years to reach $85B in sales.

Most tech companies have ~80% gross margins. Walmarts is ~25%.

You simply cannot compare the two.


> There is a lot of dumb money floating around

I like to refer to funding and acquisitions in terms of Juiceros, equivalent to $120M. Instagram was purchased for about 8.3 Juiceros.


quoting top comment under the article:

So let's break this down: A 17-year-old software firm (they are not a startup) has Has only 125 paying customers Generates 742MM in revenue Raised between $2.6 - $3.0 billion dollars in venture capital to generate that $742MM Has never broken even in 17 years Lost $580 MM Concentrates nearly a 1/3 of its revenue in 3 customers (avg rev ~$67MM per those top 3, a staggering amount for a software company of this size) Grew revenues by 25% YoY, that's good, but 91% of that comes from existing clients, that's bad Valued at $20 billion by private investors And the coup de grace, the founders want to keep 49.999% control in perpetuity regardless of their stock ownership. I expected a lot more given the hype and aura this firm has had for so many years. This company is being valued at 26x its revenue, which is insane even in SaaS land. Good luck to anyone who purchases these shares on the open market. I would highly recommend against it.


> We’re forgetting that all of FAANG IPOd when they too were much less than $20 billion

We are forgetting that because... well, it ain't true. Facebook was way over $20B at IPO. Google was close but still higher.


>News Corp's acquisition for $500m will probably be remembered as a collossal blunder

Didn't they have a $900 million search deal from Google, though? (Granted, my understanding is they didn't hit their numbers so they made slightly less than that, but still I think this makes it likely that News Corp's acquisition of MySpace was profitable and not a collossal blunder.)

Here's an older TechCrunch article talking about how buying MySpace was one of Murdoch's best decisions ever. (I agree that it looks less good now, but overall I don't think it was horribly bad from a financial perspective): http://techcrunch.com/2008/10/15/three-years-later-buying-my...


> There is no metric by which Whatsapp is worth 19B, except for the fact that Facebook can spend that much money.

But isn't that the most important metric? I would argue there is also no metric by which a Coach purse is worth thousands of dollars but people seem to keep buying them.


Two of the most profitable and innovative companies in the world.

HN first comment :

> Theory on facebook failure/Google failure to innovate


> Are they delivering value to society? Yes some, but IMO not nearly in proportion to the amount of wealth they've accrued.

How is this determined? I am trying to see if there is some actionable chain of reasoning here, or if people are just stating the top 5 companies in the public markets qualify? Is it a certain net profit margin? A combination of various factors?

The funny thing is Facebook (or Meta I guess) could fall of the face of the earth tomorrow and humanity would not really be impacted other than temporarily losing WhatsApp groups and having to migrate to a different chat program.

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