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It's diversity, just not how most people mean it. Intellectual diversity is extremely important for informed discourse.

> Sure, he had some women and minorities on his show, but mostly just white males. That's not diversity.

Yes, it is. It's just less than you'd prefer.



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He was taking about diversity of ideas, not race & gender.

Diversity is defined negatively: it means anyone who isn't white, straight, and male.

Right, but people say things like 'all the speakers at this conference are white men - that's not diverse enough'.

If you are determining diversity by sex and skin color, I'm saying that you are making judgements about people's background, tastes, culture, etc that are racist and sexist.


>The same people who call attention to gender diversity also speak out for racial diversity

Why don't I ever see it being discussed on HN?


What's the point of such forced diversity? Diversity of gender or race doesn't promote diversity of ideas.

> Most fundamentally, in this context, diversity would be variety of ideas, experiences, and attitudes, especially those relevant to the things that people are learning about in school.

In the context the author wants us to assume, sure. But that is not what big-D Diversity is.

"When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less." - Humpty Dumpty

In this case, of course, this is very intentional on behalf of the author, to argue a very specific agenda. Which I guess is fair enough, except that it is quite provocative in a generally bad way for society, IMHO. The author knows better and shouldn't depend on this ... diversion (heh) to promote his point.


I think he's talking about the diversity controversy

Can you clarify exactly how he suggests "diversity is bad" - linking off to a 20 minute video and saying "its in there" isn't exactly great for discussion.

> The whole diversity thing is extremely one-sided and biased and very much undiverse in nature.

Can you elaborate?


I agree with most of the article about academic environments being open to vigorous debate among opposing ideas. But I find this phrase: "diversity of thought" problematic.

Not because I don't actually value diversity in philosophies or modes of thinking, but because the phrase itself has been used recently as a weasel phrase by reactionary forces acting to scale back decades of work to improve actual diversity of backgrounds including race, national origin, genders, sexualities etc. in the workplace and positions of power. I'm not accusing him of using it deliberately in that sense but I think it's important to keep that connotation of this phrase in mind while discussing his talk.


Inaccurate.

What this thread shows is the sentiment that, if you claim diversity is important, leaving out a group specifically to increase diversity (as opposed to, say, merely reducing their proportion in the cohort) is in fact not being intellectually consistent or honest.

Don't fall into the flippant "Oh ho ho if white's aren't involved I guess it can't ever be legit" sarcastic dismissal. That's neither fair nor accurate.


The message makes it pretty clear the speakers aren't diverse.

Referring to the speakers themselves: "We published a list of speakers that does not reflect the standards to which we hold ourselves."

Again referring specifically to speakers: "more diverse slate of speakers."


> Dave Chappelle belongs to a minority too. In fact, a minority of a minority (black comedians) - unlike most trans.

“Minority” in the relevant sense is not “group that constitutes less than 50%” but “group that is a historical target of large scale social discrimination inn the society which is the context of discussion” (the term “minority” is an accident of history; had the language developed first in, say, apartheid South Africa, the term adopted probably wouldn't have been “disadvantaged minority” from which over time the first word usually got dropped.)

And even in the numerical sense, everybody is a minority of a minority if you choose the right set of axes of variation to look at, so in the sense that it is true of Chappelle, it is not “unlike most trans”.


Explanation - I can't reasonably justify lack of diversity and spin it as a positive thing.

No, because the audience is clearly unsatisfied with only having those options.

What a bigoted comment. OP is praising diversity, and you are suggesting what, exactly? That there isn't an issue if everyone in a field approaches a problem in the exact same way? Are you really that small minded?


Diversity is wonderful but please, not diversity of opinion.

"Diversity of thought" means "I think that white men people have experienced every perspective."

Ridiculous, ain't it?


Right on. Diversity is not about diversity.

I'm making the point that one cannot talk about diversity in general. The word means very different things in different contexts. Political beliefs are not the same thing as race or gender.
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